by Movin64 on 28 September 2020 - 23:09
by Western Rider on 28 September 2020 - 23:09
by Movin64 on 29 September 2020 - 06:09
by Western Rider on 29 September 2020 - 11:09
Movin64, if buyers would not buy from breeders who do not test then breeders would have no profit from sales, they would either start testing or quit breeding
It really is in the hands of the buyers to control this, now just to get the information to them. So many have no idea what DM is or what it does.
by Hundmutter on 29 September 2020 - 13:09
WR You are so right, and they don't know about DM because so many buyers purchase on impulse, because they think something looks good or because they are attracted to some sport or other activity and are told the breed is their best bet; what they do NOT do is think seriously about whether it really is a breed which suits them, their lifestyle, their experience level etc, and they do not research anything about the breed and what its pros, cons and health issues can be. And then they compound that by not doing due diligence on the worth of breeders. Then they wonder why they get problems with what they buy.
It isn't that all this information is not fairly easily available; they just do not bother with it. I read somewhere recently that research has shown that on average humans need to be presented with information 8 times before they remember seeing it.
by Movin64 on 29 September 2020 - 17:09
by Rik on 29 September 2020 - 18:09
and I agree, some breeders are not good people. I know very well known breeders who fixed tails, implanted teeth, ran ringers in for OFA, (before DNA), fixed elbows.
and no matter the issue, a lot of breeders will deny responsibility or that it came from their dogs.
there is nothing some people won't do.
by Movin64 on 29 September 2020 - 19:09
by ValK on 30 September 2020 - 02:09
i did know about hip dysplasia but never saw german shepherd with HD - before immigration.
quick check about DM did bring this description:
"A dog with degenerative myelopathy often stands with its legs close together and may not correct an unusual foot position due to a lack of conscious proprioception".
i noticed and hate it very much and found it weird that so many present days GSDs in their relaxed, not stacked stance, keep their back legs very close, nearly crossed. never seen that in GSDs before.
wondering if that has something to do with DM?
by Hundmutter on 30 September 2020 - 02:09
It might in fact be true that some people will own stock that is carrying DM but never seem to have experienced the actual disease, so don't be too hard on those who say they have not seen it.
Leaving aside we now have (some ?) of the genetic info, it has always been impossible to diagnose DM in living dogs, you need to do a necropsy; many of the original symptoms mirror those of other possible conditions; it is mostly 'late onset' so people who do not keep older dogs beyond breeding / working age will maybe not have seen it in their kennels; only if you are lucky enough to have dogs with longevity also in their lines and you escape cancers etc that unfortunately take so many of our breed before age 8 or 9 will you have seen the phenomena of 'DM of old age' where so many of our real pensioners 'go off ' their back ends as they get really old, with no solid indications there was any problem in the years before that.
You do not have to have seen DM manifest itself to know enough about the breed to have heard of it / realise it exists. I have been lucky in that none of 'mine' have developed full blown DM (and yet most were long-lived and several lost a lot of rear stability towards their death); but I certainly met other people who had dogs who were cases, saw people use wheels, saw owners in great distress about their dogs' condition, throughout most of my life.