Difference in stacks - Page 5

Noticed some pics of dogs with thier necks and head strung away up high with the collar and lead.

Examples?  In all the pictures I posted of my bitch, I do not hold her head up.  The collar is high, but that is her natural carriage.  I don't need to raise it, that is where here neck is set and how high she holds her head.

Bazza,thats the English/Alsatian way of standing their animals,usually with the lead tight up around the back of the ears with their thumbs propping the ears up n forward n YES,they move the dogs with the fine check chain held high n tight.Some animals do seem to be choking as they amble around the ring.Thankfully some are now allowing their dogs to be gaited on a more loose lead.Carole S.

 the dogs rear leg that is facing the camera is always the one that is back further. Why?

A well balanced GSD often stands in a stack pose by itself in real life, for evaluation of its structure, proportions and conformation, it should be stacked correct with the far rear look the one closer to the viewer, because we look for lines, planes and angles, those elements are well seen in a proper stack, in fact we imaginary draw these elements on the dog while looking, if not possible we feel them on the dog.




Above lines are approximate. Then we make evaluation based on the standard.

In a correct stack you can notice what is wrong with the conformation of a dog, for example my above dog can not stand properly his legs under his withers, see one more picture


He can not stand correct/his arms under the withers, if he did his upper arm angle would look better but I imagine if I pull his arms properly under him his shoulder blade would go higher than his top and will touch his neck.
Moreover if he stands correct his pasterns angle is exactly correct as per standard, but he doesn't. In this stack his croup is very correct while in above picture his croup is slightly steep. Sometimes I wonder if these two pictures are of the same dog, look at the shoulder, in at the 1st picture upper arm looks much better, doesn't it?!

Ibrahim

Ithink the first picture and the way the angles are represented especially the front angles are not correct as they are not true representation of the bones in the 2nd picture, what do you think?

Or let me make it into a question, which is the correct way to measure length and angle of front upper arm the above or below?

Okay no one is playing along !!, I will make it more interesting for you, this dog has in my opinion (in my theory) a major fault, I will give a hint which is "why cant he stand straight looking at him side view?".
His front upper arms can not be under where his mid top of shoulder blade should be which also should be in line with back tip of elbow down to back tip of pastern.
This is a benefit of proper stack, to see conformation, proportions, balance ..... etc plus to see and view various faults.

Ibrahim

This is my female in (a) natural stack



(b ) stacked at show

"Examples?  In all the pictures I posted of my bitch, I do not hold her head up.  The collar is high, but that is her natural carriage.  I don't need to raise it, that is where here neck is set and how high she holds her head."

Really? Just the lead looks rather taught. This is her natural carriage? Surely not when gaiting in the ring, even in stance it distorts the front angulation and in movement makes the front action ridiculously Hackney. This is no way natural for a GSD, doesn't the breed standard say about the top line, flowing with no noticeable break? If the head is held way up and back like that there is definitely a big break in that flowing line. Almost a right angle, neck and wither, now no one can say that is "natural". Don't mean to be disrespectful but if one has to post info on an International forum at least get it right!!

Hi Carole, yes I remember the old days and the style of showing Alsatians, just surprised anyone still did it, lol,lol.

Nope, that's how she carries her head.  She drops it a little in motion.  The lead is "taut" to hold it out of the way, but it is not holding her head up.

Here she is as a baby completely free stacked, loose lead...head is still high


Here she is gaiting:


Don't mean to be disrespectful
And yet, you're really good at it.

Posting on an international forum doesn't automatically mean the person shows in the international venue.  BTW, as you can see, she does not move in a hackney fashion

Sorry you think I'm being disrespectful, I call it truthful, but you're entitled to your opinion.

" Nope, that's how she carries her head.  She drops it a little in motion."
I think a blind man can see when gaiting her head is far from dropped a little, it's dropped a mile!!!

"BTW, as you can see, she does not move in a hackney fashion"
Again because her head is down, NOT a little a LOT, and gaiting off lead??? I would like to see her on lead with the collar way up behind her ears, as that is what I asked " In the show ring with lead on, is it way up behind her ears or low down and loose at the base of her neck when gaiting". BIG DIFFERENCE.
All the other photos here are fab, and so natural looking. Sorry if you think that's disrespectful just trying to understand why one would exhibit thier dogs looking so unnatural, never seen anything like it, so I'm very curious. Kinda looks like a swan pose, sorry.