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by ValK on 11 April 2020 - 13:04

food aggressiveness isn't something, what comes from nowhere. it starts to show at very early age of pup.
if owner want to work it out, then should start to work immediately, not delaying 'till pup got to be more mature.
if one got a dog, who already grown up with such trait, better to leave that dog alone. that isn't something, what
prevent that dog to do trained tasks.
b.t.w. teaching the dog to refuse food (to prevent poisoning and such) has nothing to do with food aggression.

by duke1965 on 11 April 2020 - 13:04

LOL Koots, agree, just dont bother a dog when eating, dont see the reason for wanting to bother a dog when eating,now if they would correct the dog at the moment of showing agression it would make some sense, but trying to establish leadership in this way is borderline stupidity, as the dog doesnot have a clou what this shit is about, and will either shut down or bite your ass


Koots

by Koots on 12 April 2020 - 12:04

Duke has a great point - in that video, I did not see a food bowl, or the initiating event for the 'alpha roll'. If the dog was resource guarding/food aggressive, then you would have to correct the behaviour AS IT IS BEING DISPLAYED, not even 1 minute after the food bowl is taken out of the picture. Dogs are associative, so they must be corrected when they are displaying the behaviour, not later, because they cannot associate a behaviour displayed earlier with a correction now. If they were trying to correct food aggression with doing that in absence of the food dish/behaviour, then all they taught the dog is that the person coming into the kennel is going to try to dominate him for some unknown reason. That is why I think the dog bit the other people the following day.


by ValK on 12 April 2020 - 12:04

there are bowl and another person pretend to take that bowl away with immediate following growling reaction from a dog.

it's start at 0:54

moment with bowl


Koots

by Koots on 12 April 2020 - 13:04

Valk - ah, OK, I see it now, thx. I must have gotten distracted at that point. Still not sure why they don't just leave the dog to eat but maybe it's a case of ANY bowl in kennel makes dog aggressive. I wonder how long that handler has been with the dog & what their relationship is like.

Hired Dog

by Hired Dog on 12 April 2020 - 15:04

I owned a dog that was very food aggressive, VERY...I got him at 3 years old without knowing anything about it and found out the hard way.
Later on I was told that he was like that at 8 weeks of age and the person that owned him at the time would run away when he growled.
There was no curing it, no fixing it and I was NOT ever going to alpha roll a dog that would have been happy to end me for such idiocies.
Over the years we did have a couple of "come to Jesus" talks, but, he died food aggressive at 14 years old,

by GSCat on 13 April 2020 - 03:04

We had a couple of dogs that some kids let out of the back yard (lesson learned--always LOCK, not just latch the gate with a locking caribiner). They were on their own for about 24 hours. Before they left, they happily shared a food bowl with each other and took turns at the water bowl. After we got them back, they had to be kept separated to be fed. We learnd this the hard way :-( Amazing how even one day with at least a little hunger will change a dog. We were never able correct this.

Abused/neglected dogs are sometimes food aggressive and sometimes no matter what you do, it'll never go away.




emoryg

by emoryg on 13 April 2020 - 06:04

Good idea to teach the dog that the hand delivers something better than what they now possess. The hand should never mean encroachment; instead it means something good is coming my way.

Mindhunt

by Mindhunt on 15 April 2020 - 00:04

Dominance theory in domestic dogs has been disproven over and over and over again ad nauseam.....

First off, anyone who watches any shows on dogs or wild canids will see that when the leader is keeping another dog in line, the other canid VOLUNTARILY rolls onto it's back to show the leader it understands its place and no longer wants to fight.  It is NOT knocked over by the leader.  So a human doing that stupid alpha dog roll is actually doing something that does NOT occur naturally among wild canids, let alone domestic dogs.

Second off, humans are unable to reproduce the rich nuances of canid body language.  It's like I speak a foreign language to someone and intersperse the occasional English word, then suddenly knock that person over and roll them on their back.  The person on their back is going to go WTF I was just physically attacked. This is what happens when a human does the dumb alpha roll to their dog; their dog is going WTF, I was just physically attacked. 

Dogs, or for that matter, all living beings respond to danger in one of three ways, flight, fight, or freeze. When you attack, I mean alpha roll, your dog, you are eliminating the flight option which is almost always the first choice, you are left with fight or freeze.  Most dogs will fight some then when they can't get away, they freeze which is the last-ditch effort to communicate  "go away, leave me alone, I want it to be over", the message the owner wanted to teach the dog is lost and the dog learns not to trust the owner completely because the owner may attack again.  You have just added more insecurities to your dog and you may have taught your dog to nail you first (increased likelihood of aggression). 

We know most aggression and behavioral problems are rooted in feeling insecure (not trying to dominate you), therefore forcibly knocking your dog over and rolling it on its back is exacerbating the feeling of insecurity.  No one likes to speak publically, or for some of you, you are terrified of snakes (that one seems to be the biggy).  Your boss/romantic partner/etc. is trying to teach you to do something in this environment (up on stage in front of a huge audience with live streaming going on or standing where snakes are slithering all over), you turn and let them know you are just not feeling it and are anxious, they continue trying to make you do something, your anxiety and insecurities are heading into overdrive, you try to let them know again it is too much, suddenly they knock you over and pin you to the ground on your back not letting you get up or get away in the middle of that situation (on stage in front of the audience you were supposed to speak to, or on the ground with snakes crawling all over).  Are you going to fight some or freeze right away? Are you going to do what they wanted you to do, probably since you don't want to get knocked over again, but will you ever trust them again next time you are feeling insecure?  Maybe next time you see them twitch, you decide to take matters into your own hands so they never ever knock you over again.

So NO ALPHA DOG ROLL, it does more damage than anything to the bond and teaches your dog not to ever rely on you to help them feel secure. 


by ValK on 15 April 2020 - 15:04

well, "alpha roll" can be indicative in testing pup, after certain preliminary interaction with that pup.
but it's ineffective as a tool to show to adult dog the handler's superiority.





 


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