Reckless Aggression , where does it comme from, and which lines are known to pass it down? - Page 15

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by ValK on 11 October 2019 - 13:10

apple
i have no idea and didn't ask - how extreme/dangerous in their inward nature are those dogs in video, which shows mostly an excessive jumpings.
good abstract did someone in post below that video:


basically, here is a dog I can never own, because he'll continue to leave my backyard to poop on my neighbor's roofs.


b.t.w. if you do have experience to resist dog's attack, you would know - much easier to successfuly confront that dog, when dog approaching you by long jump, than dog, who charges you in close proximity from ground.


by ValK on 11 October 2019 - 14:10

emoryg

cops of future :)


by duke1965 on 11 October 2019 - 16:10

apple, you are wrong about points and KNPV, they do want high scores and even have a hard time selling dogs with lower scores, I have bought multiple real good titled dogs that where not easy to sell by owners because of bad scores and no " LOF " on their certificate, most of them losing points for biting when they should not be biting, which is highly undesirable in KNPV and dutch police 


by apple on 11 October 2019 - 17:10

So why is it so few KNPV dogs go on to obtain a PH2? And you said you have bought multiple real good dogs with bad scores. The bad scores might make them harder to sell but they are still "real good dogs" which was my point. Those dogs might be undesirable in Holland, but not so much in the states. And again, is it the training where control is something the trainers try to add after the dog has been built up to maximum drive, or is it that the dogs are just very driven and aggressive? I understand it is not black and white and each dog is different or shows uncontrolled aggression for different reasons. I am talking about Mal X's not GSDs.

by duke1965 on 11 October 2019 - 17:10

also tu USA dogs with LOF are easyer to sell, basically same as everywhere, people care to much about trained behaviour and not about genetic qualities, and then wonder why they still have to import dogs after buying the champions for the last 20 years and breeding with them

most dogs are sold right after or even before being titled, I sold a dog to a KNPV trainer that will title next sunday, and the dog is pre-ordered already, so will go to police after it titled PH1, and majority goes that way

I dont know many people that would get the dog spinning in drive before trying to teach them something, many issues I see are not so much agression, but more frustration issues, but one can debate if frustration is also a form of agression, but fact is that trigger for frustration and agression are two different things

and certainly a dog can have both

 


by apple on 11 October 2019 - 19:10

I believe frustration aggression is a genetic trait that is related to high prey drive and more common in Mals due to their higher prey drive.

by duke1965 on 12 October 2019 - 09:10

dont think its genetic in itself, but its result og extreme high prey/posession, which is genetic, without the prey/posession, no frustration

Blksableworkingdogs

by Blksableworkingdogs on 24 October 2019 - 12:10

Can you guys help me remember where that post was I saw on here “I thought” it was about the police officer in pursuit of the bad guy where the dog bit the suspect under the water? Seems like it was in a creek? I have a friend here with the sheriffs department “K9” that had something happen yesterday almost just exactly like what I thought I read on here, I wanted to share that post with him. Thanks!

emoryg

by emoryg on 24 October 2019 - 15:10

In this thread I mentioned the dog (K-9 Bojar) who jumped off the ledge knocking him out. He then pursued the suspect into the creek. Sorry, I may have misspoke; that dog did not go under water for the bite. He bit the criminal in the leg and then they both went under water.

Funny, just a few days ago I was talking to one of the detectives who came to the scene about that call.

Blksableworkingdogs

by Blksableworkingdogs on 25 October 2019 - 19:10

Can you copy and paste the full story back to this thread for me it’s not too much trouble?
Thanks





 


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