The puppies of Marcato - Page 10

I have no idea who Dallas is...the summation of my ASL experience is probably looking at your pups' pics. 

I thought you'd mentioned you were being somewhat shunned for breeding your bitch to a GSL/ASL cross. Maybe I mixed you up with someone else. Just wondered if this was the dog being talked about. 

I was going to breed to a GSL for this litter, but the stud dog ended up with a prostate infection at the same time my bitch was in season.  Couldn't use him and went with this boy (who I was going to use anyway).

Xeph - it seems that you are pleased the stud dog is free of Dallas, why is that?      Also, how many generations removed from German dogs does a dog need to be considered an ASL(generally)?    I see in the stud dog's ped some familiar German names in the 10th/11th generations (if I'm counting correctly) - Busecker Schloss and Froehlich (I knew Eric Froehlich many years ago), off of one of the Covy dogs.     I see quite a few West Coast breeder dogs in that ped as well.

10-11 gens back is too far removed...seeing the lines you mentioned that far back is the norm.

And basically everything these days has Dallas.  Too easy to breed yourself into a corner.  I don't want it if I can avoid it, but I'll have to incorporate him at some point.

Xeph - I mentioned back 10-11 gens is where I see the German-bred dogs, and after that it seems to be American/Canadian breeders. So, at what point would a dog be considered ASL - how many generations removed from import dogs would make it American show line vs. German show line? Hope I'm making myself clear, not sure how to word it otherwise.

I look at ASL just like I look at the other lineages;  ALL WORKING DOGS;  with various jobs at task.   That includes conformation;  that is also a working dog job;  kudo's to you if you have something with good conformation, all the better to win with.  All are jobs for a working K9.  Xeph, good luck with these guys, they are lovely and might you also do Rally, AD, BH, Agility, Herding later on with these guys, all working dogs with working jobs...Maybe even personal protection...

Koots, that is honestly a question I cannot answer.  It would be a matter of opinion more than fact.  My opinion is that the sire of this litter wouldn't be considered German in anyway, as that lineage is so dilute at this point as to be virtually meaningless.

Nans, the majority of the puppies are being worked in performance venues in addition to conformation :)

Xeph - thanks, it was really more of a curiosity thing for me, rather than a "label" thing.

To me ALS means dogs from bloodlines with success in that circuit. Breeders will sometimes insist a puppy or dog go back to that show or trial circuit to "Prove itself" or represent it's breeder and bloodline. Dogs have to be registered on time and sometimes also nominated for particular shows, they also need to be kept in good condition and trained for their respective venues. The ASL circuit is quite competitive, sometimes to the point breeders don't want any obedience / training titles placed on a dog until after a dog is done with a show career. Many of the Top dogs in the ASL world would become AKC Champions and GSDCA Selects first, then return home to their owners who would then get obedience and other trial titles on them.

Well said, Lineage, few here seem to "get" that concept.