Stud dog question? Does he exist? - Page 4

smh= shaking my head

 

Why do "WL people" think their ugly, neurotic, bite everything that moves dogs are better than the "SL people's" spooky dogs who may or may not bite during the courage test? 

I don't get it. Incorrect is incorrect. Unbalanced is unbalanced. Period. 

You said the "gsd is a trotter and it's structure compliments that". Sounds like a dog that can run hard enough to tear divits in the grass and throw them in your face is not in that description. A dog jumping a ditch at a trot is not possible, therefore, either your ideal gsd cannot jump a ditch, or the gsd can do much more than just trot...therefore their structure should be that of an athlete, not just a single gaited freak.
Smh= shaking my head :-)

And also Jen, end of day, its a free world, each has his/her preference and free to own or breed whichever, what we are trying to exchange and explore here is can we have/produce a GSD that is free from common show faults normally encountered and free from common work faults normally encountered nowadays? and maybe, how can it be done?

"Why do "WL people" think their ugly, neurotic, bite everything that moves dogs >>> who's that?

Well Joanro, it's not me who wrote the standard, GSD IS a trotter, its structure is designed to best suit trotting, that does not stop it from doing other things like jumping a ditch or run and capture a thief or detect narcotics. GSD having proper designated structure does not mean it is crppled or useless for various types of jobs. Joanro now I am SMH :)

My TWHs are gaited. Certainly doesn't mean they can't canter, gallop, or jump. 

Just wanted to remind everyone that the wolf often travels 40 or more miles in a day. So, when you are talking about endurance, maybe you need to look at the wolf's structure? Here is the supreme endurance machine, as designed by nature. Horrors! Is that actually a DIP in its topline?? 

 

So, if ability to trot is desirable as described in the standard, then more MUST be better; and therein lies a problem in the singular pursuit thereof.

Like a few others on this forum, I work with both at a relatively high level on a near daily basis.  I know the general abilities of both.  I stopped drinking the Kool aid as marketed by the SV regarding showlines and the structural ability to trot being a superior form of locomotion for endurance long ago.  The "on the ground" reality does not support this fallacy.  Nor is their general temperament any longer suited to the working ability originally envisioned within the SV.

But, within the SV lies every kind of shepherd described within these exchanges.  Live and let live.  The proverbial reconcilliation ship sailed long ago...

BTW, there is not a single working line GSD in our club that doesn't trot as a preferred means of intermediate speed locomotion.  But, in exchange for "not covering as much ground," most can turn on a dime even from full speed.

This is not disparaging toward anyone.  Pick what you want, love 'em, and be proud of them.  But the delusional/marketing nonsense gets old.  As do organizations that don't adhere to their own standards in pursuit of more members and dollars/euros.

K

 

"My TWHs are gaited. Certainly doesn't mean they can't canter, gallop, or jump."
They can,Jenni, just no where near as good as a quarter horse, thoroughbred, or even an Arabian. The twh just isn't built for galloping or jumping without feeling like they have a flat tire.

The SL are just as awkward as the twh out of their structurally forced gait.

Joanro...Erik is currently at the top of my list. Just so you know....

Jenni- yes, I told you I am checking out Boy. Research takes time! *wink*

I agree with Ibrahim to a point. I understand he means enough angulation to trot with endurance. I know the Mals I trained with on the field were like cats but I can't see them keeping up with my bitch on a 8 hour hike...unless they gallop the whole time!

But, the ASL people tried to "get me to drink the Kool aid" regarding angulation  and motion. No way a show champion can maintain that flying gait for hours in the real world. I use herding as my benchmark....if a dog can herd for hours than that is good enough angulation for me! The show ring motion is unrealistic. But, like in my case, I would like more flow and efficiency on my bitch. Not extreme motion but a bit more "effortlessness"!