Stud dog question? Does he exist? - Page 5

Joan...so funny you said that! I know trot...I bred, showed, and owned Arabians! I did endurance training....one of my mares that I foaled out....had a classic, Arabian trot. Just beautiful, floating effortless. She was Region Sport Horse Reserve Champion scoring all 8's on the triangle. Great impulsion followed by a flow to a beautiful extension. Correct and from back to front.

when we were doing endurance...we would sail at the trot while others did strong canters next to us!! And...her heart rate stayed crazy low as I had a monitor on her. 

"Well Joanro, it's not me who wrote the standard, GSD IS a trotter, its structure is designed to best suit trotting, that does not stop it from doing other things like jumping a ditch or run and capture a thief or detect narcotics. GSD having proper designated structure does not mean it is crppled or useless for various types of jobs. "...........and this is the problem, Ibrahim, the structure of the SL does prevent them from being efficient in any endeavor except trotting around a groomed ring, compared to MODERATELY structured ( as the standard prescribes) dogs.

I remember I wanted to do the same combining of lines with my Arabians as I want to do now with dogs.

They told me no way. I said...go screw. Bred a Junior Champion halter horse and Region TT Sweepstakes winner. Then, wanted to test his soundness- both physically (limb and wind) and metabolically so I threw him on racetrack. They laughed at me when this drop dead gorgeous halter Champion went to the gate. They stopped laughing as he became a multiple stakes horse and winner on the track! Just to piss them off further, I raced him barefoot.

He finished his race career and went on to be a National Reserve Champion 100 mile endurance horse carrying a heavyweight rider (200+ pounds). Ended up being sold overseas and competing in FCI events.

So, I love it when the haters say it can't be done! Watch me!!

 

 

Smiley, we were discussing efficiency at the gallop and jumping, not trotting. I have horses, including a reg breeding stock paint, that when I put him into the extended trot, we feel airborne...BUT, that is not the gait with which to cut a cow from a herd or jump a five foot fence, is it? No one said a four legged ambulatory land dwelling mammal cannot trot, most of them can. But the ones that are special gaited, such as the camelids, elephants, CANNOT gallop so are no as fast or efficient as animals that are designed to walk trot and gallop.

Smiley, I love your spirit!  I, too, was told I would never do this or that with the horses or dogs I was working.

And I proved a number of people wrong!

The dog I completed a BH with last fall?  Someone in the club told my friend she'd never get a BH, and neither one of us should even be in the club!

One of the horses I evented with? The owner of the stable said she should have gone to the slaughterhouse! (She came off the 'meat wagon' from a local horse dealer.

In her second- ever CT event, she came in 10th out of 54 entries!

 

This is a discussion and how do opinions which differ with each other equate to "haters"? Big difference between horses and dogs, smiley. There have been many arabian horses that have succeeded in multiple diciplines...nothing new there. In fact, about thirty years ago, I broke a stud colt to ride that was a halter champion, prepared him for the track and he went on to have a successful race career and then produced many halter champions. That's not uncommon, and, the Arabian has been used to create new breeds of horses because they cross extremely well with other breeds.

Sunsilver.....we are on the same page pretty much...all the time! *grin*

Joan...oh, sorry! Ok, just ignore my post about trotting then!

Joan....what IS common is that halter Arabian people don't think the performance Arabians are pretty or well conformed and the working Arabian people don't think the halter horses can work. That was my point!!! Sounds kind of similar...hmmm.

Ok...off to hit the books!!!

Well, yes it does sound familiar, and unfortunately the strictly show/halter bred animals are deficient. I've seen, I've handled, halter Arabians that could NOT carry a saddle on their backs, let alone a human. Not to mention the extreme heads on the halter horses that caused them to not be able to breath properly....yes smiley, it does sound familiar because it's the same single purpose breeding and there can be the exception to anything.