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by ValK on 12 April 2020 - 21:04

hired, you wrong again.
my friend's dog wasn't a part of communist regime, either all my dogs, who did come from same stock and was trained in same way.
neither me or my dogs faced situation to be forced to defend themselves but i know - if needs arise or if i give command to attack, either of my dog would act similarly, becouse that what and how they was trained to do.

if that dog would been taught to do "bite and hold", that dog would do exactly that. difference was that border dogs was trained in supposition they will meet a coldblooded calculated professional resistance and must be ready to act accordingly. there are no any similarity in protection training to sport type of protection.
nevertheless, i never been concerned to leave my dogs among strange to them people in a busy environment unleashed without my supervision and they never failed my trust. same i can say about other dogs, owned by other members of club. and i absolutely positive, if adult dog from border kennel been bring back onto busy city street, that dog will behave just like my dogs, who been all their life in urban environment.

i don't know why people think if that a border dogs, then that must be a permanently turned on killer machines. not, they wasn't, at least as long, as not needs arise to become such. before to become border service dog, the dog must pass very rigorous test.
dogs, who failed, mainly did end up by becoming, as you said "guard dog behind a fence".


Hired Dog

by Hired Dog on 13 April 2020 - 04:04

Valk, if you dont explain yourself, I am left to guess, however, here is a parting thought you may want to consider.
The past is a point of reference, not a place of residence.

by ValK on 13 April 2020 - 15:04

i really don't know what and how to explain.
for me it's simple - there no such things like regime dogs. it's just breeding for purpose - either wide range for any prevailing on market taste due to financial goal or narrow for certain utilization irregardless of monetary gains or losses.
if tomorrow US border decide to go by route of former communist regimes in respect of dogs for use at border, are those dogs would become part of capitalist regime? or private breeder decide to implement such program in own kennel - to which regime those dogs gonna to belong?

GK1

by GK1 on 13 April 2020 - 16:04

“regime dog”

New terminology for future reference, and maybe less confusing than ‘gangster dog’?

ValK were regime dogs primarily of DDR lineage and is there any lines today approaching the standard of those historic border dogs you often use a measuring stick?  Or we these dogs more so made than born?


Hired Dog

by Hired Dog on 13 April 2020 - 18:04

Valk, how many dogs patrolled the communist border you are speaking of? I am speaking of dogs as part of a team, not running behind a fence or tied to a post somewhere.

by ValK on 14 April 2020 - 11:04

GK 1, to be made what these dogs was, the dogs must be born with essential qualities for that. reliability of dogs in real life use was cornerstone of breeding. the hope that this or that dog performance could be improved over time didn't practiced. such dog have been written off during selection test at 10 month age. system was like this - first selection was a dogs at 10 month old for suitability. sort of like - pick the best among available. doesn't mean all picked up dogs would be used in future breeding. the breeding stock was selected in second round at border after dogs been used for at least 1-2 years and proved own worthiness, thus only best among previously selected best.
sorry, impossible to answer your question in regard of similarities of "any lines today approaching the standard of those historic border dogs".
i can compare visual appearance but not inner world of dog, without seeing that dog in person.

hired, i'm sure there should be records in archives, on which someone can work out data but i never saw or hear such statistic. only numbers i seen was about DDR, estimated if i'm not mistaken, around 5000+ but that number not include patrol dogs, only so call "wall dogs" and comes from those, who was involved in rehoming them back then in '89-'90.





 


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