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Koots, I am a HUGE believer in genetics, above everything else and I believe that the component that will drive a dog to become handler aggressive is genetic, it has to be there, waiting for the proper time to manifest.
Whether its because of handler unfairness during a correction, denying the dog, whatever it may be, there is something in the dog that allows it to go that route.

Why is it that some dogs will let you do ANYTHING and never retaliate? That genetic component is not there. I also believe that its not GSD or any of the biting breeds inclusive, its across all breeds and of course some, due to size and temperament can do more damage then others.

Rik, there are a couple of reasons why I dont allow the dog to know that I control the E collar, one you just listed. I have used that tool for many years and never has a dog turned to bite me, I cant say the same about a plain choker or a prong.
Finally, I believe its a mistake to buy an adult dog that is expected to bite other humans for a living and start training that dog the day after it lands.
I also believe that the practice of switching handlers every couple of years, as it happens in the military is very detrimental to a working relationship and does promote handler aggression with some dogs.

Rik, thank you for bringing up E-Collars, it has made me to note, IF I decide to get a new dog after all, meaning a PPD dog, I am certainly going to ask about any training done with E-Collars. I have never used an E-Collar, so it is not something I really thought about in pre-purchase questions.

Hired Dog, I just learned a good point from you about dogs NOT knowing their handler controls the E-Collar. It is something I never thought about. Again, I have never used an E-collar.

TWC, I have used them for many, many years, with excellent results. The E collar today is not what it used to be 30 years a go.
I prefer to have the dog believe/think that its behavior at the very second it occurred is what caused the correction.
Of course there is a lot more to it then this, but, I believe that I will not always be around to correct my dog, the dog that believes that its behavior caused the correction will pause before it commits the same offense again, so far, I have not been proven wrong with this way of doing it.
Again, there is much more to this and your timing is extremely important, but, that is a long discussion.

twc, I'm not opposed to ecollars at all. seems this dog was after about the 3rd time though. :)

What are the odds of this video "randomly?" popping up on my YT homepage when I signed in today? *creepy internet*


Simulating the Evolution of Aggression

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YNMkADpvO4w

It really helped for me to turn on captions, so I absolutely did not miss a single word.

twc, a couple weeks ago, I posted on a thread about a trip to Germany on here. I only check in on YT 2 or 3 times a month to see what is happening with my family and former co-workers. I seldom post anything.

the next time I went on YT, I had recommended friend after friend suggestions and guess where they were from. yea, Germany. I do not know one single person from Germany. coincedence I guess, but I have never mentioned Germany anywhere else in my life.

yea, creepy

Rik

I will tell my experience with my male and others thoughts on this are welcome. I’m curious at others opinion.

During OB especially with heeling and L and R turns he has the tendency to nip and sometimes a bit more then a nip on my left side lower rib area. Not just once but several times. Now is that redirected aggression because he’s not getting his ball? Would that be early signs of handler aggression? Or frustrated aggression?

During protection as my TD is working him in defense he is angry barking and no not prey barking and looking right in his face after he gets the sleeve I put him in “platz” say drop and then say “fus” he immediately obeys but as soon as I take a step to the R he quickly takes a small bite (not tearing skin but does leave a red mark) as the one he does in OB but it’s more then a nip.

Again same questions as above?

I know it’s hard to say 100% without video so I hope I explained it enough.

My impression is during OB he has frustrated aggression because he did not get rewarded so his drive is going up and nipping is his way of letting that frustration out me bring the closer object.

Protection which is a lot more intense he shows frustrated aggression as well but in a higher state of drive plus he angry he has to leave the helper and takes out that frustration on me being the closest object.

Now my dog has never bit me meaning ripped the skin in any situation. He has showed teeth trying to take the ball but that was a year ago and nipped that in the butt right away never did that since. He is 21/2 yrs old now.

Jettas
Similar behavior in my dog. While the dog is in a highly stimulated state of defense, if the dog is restrained she would lash out at the closest person .On a couple occasion the closest person turned out to be a family member.

Jetta's - I would describe that as 'displacement behaviour', and not aggression towards handler but rather frustration as you have identified already. In obedience, you could try ending the session without reward, thereby denying the dog what it wants when you get nipped. Put dog away, then bring dog out a bit later to try again. That is, if you want to cease the nipping during heeling. In protection, you could try back-tieing dog, and have a second leash handler on opposite side of you , to prevent the displacement nipping. Withput video it's really hard to give any advice on what to do as it's necessary to see what is happening.