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by ThatWasClose on 18 August 2020 - 15:08

Acknowledged, we do not know "this" dog. Have not seen it work.


Correct in that a seller can tell you anything, especially if one has not first met and worked with the dog in person.

I dunno, even having a happy time work or two in person surely is not going to tell you everything about a dog either. I can well imagine some sellers are holding their breath hoping the dog does not show its worst side.

This is all just something else to seriously consider for any of we newbies; especially for anyone wanting to buy a dog abroad.




Hired Dog

by Hired Dog on 18 August 2020 - 15:08

TWC, buying a puppy is a gamble, buying an adult from someone that you dont know can also be one too.
If you decide to get a dog, make sure that you either know the person or that you have someone with you who knows dogs very well and knows you and your daily living situation so that you can have security and peace of mind.

by jettasmom on 18 August 2020 - 16:08

@apple... that type of correction has ill effect as well as A pop to the face, does nothing for him, no reaction. Like I said he is a very very fast twitched dog. I did use a low level stim as soon as he did the nip, any higher is not good for him, during OB sorry failed to add that to my last post. The verbal no was right after the stim, then the down and I walked away for a couple of min to let him think. It worked well, no nipping after that.

@valk... hope he doesn’t get crazy with his nipping in a trial setting . The nipping started during an AKC OB trial can’t correct as we know he is an extremely smart dog towards the end he was really getting pushy grabbing my pant leg, again can’t correct. at the last exercise which is retrieves over the jump he refused to let go of the dumbell even growled. Judge told me just make him let go I said no not going there we were done. Can’t address behavior at the event. Fast forward he has never growled nor ever not let go of the dumbell since then. Issue was addressed and not with force not the type of dog you use a lot of force with. He was young and yes all my fault for entering him at a young age. We all know you can train train train set a great foundation yet he is a dog and dogs can be dogs. He does not nip constantly just when HE feels he is due his reward. Yes, I’ve always go further with no reward then go back to more frequent reward, I always mix it up. never in his training has he gotten rewarded after nipping, he needs to learn you don’t nip at all period.
Today what I did worked excellent.

@hireddog.... yes he is a sport dog and no he is not handler sensitive nor does he go out of drive with a correction. He has endless drive insane ball drive solid nerves. I have to be fair with him meaning too much correction he goes higher in drive hence frustration hence nipping. He’s a young dog and his lines tend to mature slower. We will work it out.

@thatwasclose..... as above he has never ever gotten rewarded for nipping ever. Im understanding why a few have said he has permission to nip. Please explain @valk
I do like your comment about excitement which yes he is excited loves to work and will work til he drops yet frustrated.

I completely understand the assumptions without seeing my dog. I’m trying to explain the best I can but as we know seeing is better then writing everything. All I can say is he is a very strong willed dog very compliant super fast learner and over correcting will make him worse and no not in regards to shutting down. He has never shut down in OB or protection. I do know if he’s over corrected e collar or prong he will not shut down but get very angry. It’s happened once and I’m glad the sleeve was his choice to take his anger out and not me.
Ozzy is my first dog that is a national level dog. I've titled one dog that was over 10 yrs ago, she was my first Schutzhund dog and a brand new handler. So you can say I'm a relatively new handler with this type of dog. ’m trying my best as well as my TD to get me there as his handler. Heck some days I just want to hand him over to my TD and say here you take him to the level where he deserves  (National) but we are a team and if we get there awesome if not I still go home with my best friend.

I did not mean to take over the thread about my dog but just wanted to add to the conversation that n regards to frustrated aggression versus handler aggression.

Forgot to add, we have a great relationship and while he has shown me when he was younger he can be an ass it was dealt with and never has he shown any aggression to me since but I am fair yet stern. I'm still learning and he has made me a better handler. 
 


Hired Dog

by Hired Dog on 18 August 2020 - 16:08

That was an excellent post Jetta, best of luck to you and your goals going forward. Stay safe.

by jettasmom on 18 August 2020 - 19:08

Thank you Hired he is a blast to train and work with. Training never ends so we have lots of years ahead. The good the bad and the ugly. BH in a few weeks might have some welts lol

Koots

by Koots on 18 August 2020 - 20:08

Jetta's - glad you found what worked for that sesssion. If he doesn't respond to that for the next session, then when he nips take him straight to the car or put him up in the kennel for a bit. Don't say anything, no reaction, only taking him away. Denying him what he wants and working with you sounds like it's the 'correction' that he will learn from.

by jettasmom on 18 August 2020 - 20:08

Koots, yes I will try that if the next session does not work like it did today. Nice to have diff options

by apple on 18 August 2020 - 22:08

You said your dog has insane ball drive. That might be part of the problem. If a dog is in such a high state of drive they can’t think well and be clear. How to you reward him with the ball? Do you tease him up before you train obedience? Is food an option? Why do you say punishment is not for this dog? Have you considered a slip lead instead of a prong?

Koots

by Koots on 18 August 2020 - 23:08

How about using something that he likes, but doesn't go crazy over as the reward? If a ball brings too much drive that he cannot 'think' or be clear, then something else that is of value but not as much can be used, and the ball reserved to 'special occasions' rewards. Most dogs have a 'hierarchy' of things that motivate them, and using the top tier all the time can be 'too much' for them to remain clear and perform reliably.

Baerenfangs Erbe

by Baerenfangs Erbe on 19 August 2020 - 03:08

If the food drive is there, I'd just use food. You can be so much more precise and get more reps in with food, than with a ball anyways.





 


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