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by nanu on 08 December 2010 - 16:12
First, I am not taking sides or defending you, her, him and whoever. Just a little clarification if that should help bring sensibility here.
1. any long standing breeder who buys good dogs and pays to take care of their dogs avoids accidents. Dogs instinct sometimes gets the best of ALL of us. ( just check out the teen pregnancies from those who know better). Ah, the lure of hormones. Or, how about this one, my friend's walking his dog next to so and so's dog and the next thing you know. yep puppies. how embarrasing!
2. Genetics and linebreeding - Not something I would advocate this close however, one does close linebreeding when they know the entire pedigree so well that they know what to expect before they do this, ie, no genetic flaws outside the HD that we all have to live with anyway - and yes, we can screen EVERYTHING else out. Oh, the poster that suggested the AKC sanctions? well - my first year with Norwich Terriers included one sold to me father bred back to daughter. different names, no pedigree outside the AKC papers. Who knew? I didn't! We all learn. BTW, this dog earned his Champion! Go figure. Short of cloning, how does one concentrate a line? Do they do this elsewhere? I'll leave that one in the air.
3. Those dogs that are pure outcrosses have "hybrid vigor" Great thing until you go to breed them, unless you know so very very much about everyone in that genetic bag. I don't always recommend linebreeding (depends) and I don't always recommend full outcrosses (depends again)
I had a recent 2-2 linebreeding because? as I stated above. And wow - just as I expected. But I do all of my homework. Nice, strong and balanced working dogs and exceptionally sound. I hope this is the case with the accidental breeding in question.
My point is to enlighten, educate and consider that this is a forum. I can understand the need to ask questions, that's how we learn. But let's work at getting good information.
A peaceful holiday to all.
Nancy Rhynard
www.westwoodkennels.com
by Gemini on 09 December 2010 - 01:12
Reggie
by gucci on 09 December 2010 - 03:12
by Dawn G. Bonome on 09 December 2010 - 16:12
This is the reason why threads like this need a moderator!!
Hans... would buy a pup from you... and trust your knowledge and judgement!
Hans...ALL THE WAY!!
by beetree on 09 December 2010 - 16:12
by Ace952 on 09 December 2010 - 16:12
by triodegirl on 09 December 2010 - 16:12
I would buy a dog from Prager if he had one I was interested in. I would reasearch the dog first, but I would do the same with any dog.
by zmoderator on 09 December 2010 - 16:12
This thread was left up because of the topic (inbreeding/linebreeding), and also because Prager wanted it left up.
by Red Sable on 09 December 2010 - 17:12
Thank you for not deleting it. It has alot of good in it.
I really don't understand outsiders telling mods to delete a thread when it has nothing to do with them. If mods deleted a thread everytime someone didn't like something that was in it, there would be nothing here to read or learn from.
by kitkat3478 on 10 December 2010 - 09:12
Have you checked out his dogs that he has planned to breed? i think he has some great pups, and beautiful dogs. He certainly knows his stuff.
He offers more valuable info here than MOST anyone that posts here. It is obvious he is very specific in his breeding program.
I'd like to know WHAT those that are complaining have produced. I know at least one of the nay-sayers had a big discrepency in whether the pups she got out of one of her males WAS QUESTIONED whether her pups were even pure bred.Than she has to go out and buy titled dogs, and starts breeding them and advertising for breeding, before the dog(s) even reach her yard.
Also, that same person was here begging help to BUY her dogs as her entire life was being striiped from her, due to what ever circumstance, than within a few months, she's back, all new dogs, doing rescue and couldn't even save her own dogs,!
And as far as stating what the value of the pups are as,"excessive", is ludicrous! i for one get totally disgusted when I see someone selling their pups for a few bucks.
THAT is greed! Hans is a respectable, well educated man, when it comes to his dogs.
NO ONE IS ASKING ANY OF YOU TO BUY ONE OF THEM PUPS FROM HIM.
Man, you can't even be honest here without being slammed. I guess what else can you expect from some of the gripers.
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Anyone that wants to sell their dogs for a couple hundred dollars, are the ones contributing to the poor quality of dogs that are being produced.
I respect your honesty Hans and I am GREATFUL for all the useful info you provide
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