Bloating Dog Video - Page 3

i think Bloat is in some lines and other lines never have the problems- gentics plays a big part, even though no one really knows. i have a female the way she eats and drinks you would think she would get bloat ,well never in her 6 years of life. i really do think its gentic.
i think this video will be very helpful for knowing the basic signs , thanks for posting.

The Tufts study found a small corelation between genetics and bloat. However, the main factor predisposing to bloat is the depth of the chest:

There is no single, major gene that controls bloat. This is because dogs do not inherit bloat; they only inherit a predisposition for the condition. As with other polygenic disorders, breadth of pedigree normalcy increases the selective pressure against the condition.*

Perhaps the best selective tool against bloat is the chest-depth to chest-width ratio. Dogs that have lower ratios and whose littermates have not bloated are the best breeding candidates. If prospective breeding dogs are compared, and breeders select against those with high ratios, the prevalence of bloat should diminish.
 

* Translated into plain English, this means avoid inbreeding/close linebreeding, and your dogs will be less likely to inherit the tendency to bloat.

The risk of bloat goes up with age, as well a depth of chest:

 

Risk Factors

The breed with the highest average lifetime likelihood of a bloat episode is the Great Dane, at 42.4%. Other breeds at higher-than average risk include the Bloodhound, Irish Wolfhound, Irish Setter, Akita, standard Poodle, German Shepherd Dog, and Boxer. Other deep-chested breeds and deep-chested mixed-breed dogs are also at higher risk.

Dr. Larry Glickman, an epidemiologist at the Purdue University School of Veterinary Medicine, conducted a controlled study on canine bloat, beginning in 1994. He followed 1,914 dogs who did not have a prior history of bloat. Eleven large and giant breeds were represented in the study.

Several risk factors were identified. The dogs with the greatest risk of developing bloat have chests that are deep and narrow. This can be evaluated by measuring the depth and the width of the chest. Then the depth is divided by the width. The depth-to-width ratio reflects the amount of room there is for stomach movement in the abdomen, behind the ribcage. The higher the result, the more room there is for movement. Dogs with more room have a greater risk of developing bloat.

Lean dogs were found to be at higher risk than overweight dogs. It is hypothesized that this is because fat takes up space in the abdomen. The lack of fat in the abdomen of a lean dog creates a basic situation similar to that of a dog with a deep and narrow chest: A lean dog has much more room in the abdomen for the stomach to move around than a fat dog. This does not mean, of course, that overweight dogs are generally healthier than lean dogs.

Risk is also higher for older dogs. For large breeds, the risk of developing bloat goes up 20 percent each year after the age of 5. For giant breeds, it goes up 20 percent each year after the age of 3. First degree relatives of dogs that have had bloat have a 63 percent greater risk of developing bloat themselves. Dogs that eat quickly have a 15 percent higher risk of developing bloat. This may be related to increased swallowing of air.

Link: http://www.vin.com/proceedings/Proceedings.plx?CID=TUFTSBG2003&PID=5091&O=Generic 

When one of my males was a pup he would run through the snow with his mouth open basicly shoveling the snow down. This on several occasions resulted in him getting bloat. It never caused him any distress and it would pass in a half hour to forty five minutes. We always kept a close eye on him when it happened and fortunately it never evolved into what was shown in the video. He's a deep/broad chested dog.

Felloffher,
Dog's do not just "get over" bloat. What sounds like happened to me is that your dog ate a ton of snow and his stomach was totally full of water causing the dog to look "bloated"(much different than actual bloat". The water then was processed by the body and eliminated over the time frame you mention. Just an educated guess.
Debby

Here's the link to the story I remember about ice cubes and bloat. I guess it was on another dog forum, not here:

http://www.dogforums.com/general-dog-forum/54641-beware-giving-ice-water.html 

Beware giving ice water or feeding ice cubes!

This is something all dog owners should know. Even with the smallest breeds
need to remember never to give dogs iced or very cold water.

This was posted on another board with permission to cross post in the hopes
of saving another dog from having to go through this awful experience.

After showing we went back to our site/set up and got the dogs in their
crates to cool off. After being back about 30min. I noticed **** was low on
water. I took a hand full of ice from my cooler and put it in his bucket
with more water. (Note: I use a small Playmate cooler at ringside with ice
water in it also. Have for over 15 years now) I use small 2qt. buckets in my
crates. He had maybe ½ a bucket when I placed him in his crate after coming
back from the ring. We all then started to get all the dogs Ex'ed and food
ready for them.

I have an 18 foot trailer with AC and set up, as a rolling kennel it fits 7-
42" crates, and MY express Van holds 1- 48", 1- 42", and 3- 36", crates. All
the crates in the van have 24 " box fans over them. I had **** in his 48'
crate in the van because that is the place he loves to be. He loves to be
able to see everyone and everything. After checking the dogs and thinking
they were cooled off enough we fed everyone. As we were walking around
removing the feed dishes from the crates, one of my friends stated that ****
seamed like he was choking. I went over and checked on him and he was dry
heaving and was drooling. I got him out of the crate to check him over and
noticed he had not eaten. He was in some distress. I checked him over from
head to toe and did not notice anything. I walked him around for about a
min. when I noticed that he was starting to Bloat. I did everything I was
taught to do in this case. I was not able to get him to burp, and we gave
him Phasezime.

 

We jumped on the golf cart to take him down to the Show vet to find out that
he did not have a bloat kit, He referred us to the clinic that was to be on
call, but we found out that the clinic was closed. After finding another
clinic that was open we rushed **** to that one. We called ahead and let
them know that we were on our way. They were set up and waiting for us and
they got **** stabilized very quickly. After **** was stable and out of
distress we transported **** to AVREC where he went into surgery to make
sure no damage was done to any of his vital organs. I am very happy to say
that **** is doing great, there was no damage to any vital organs, and he
still loves his food.

In surgery the doctor found that ***** stomach was in its normal anatomic
position. The Doctor and I went over the events of what happened up to the
point of **** Bloating. When I told him about the ice water he asked why I
gave him ice water, and have I always done this. I told him my history
behind this practice and his reply was "I have been very lucky for the past
15 years." The ice water I gave **** caused violent Muscle spasm in his

stomach which caused the bloating. Even though I figured his temp was down
enough to feed, and give him this ice water his internal temp was still
high. Dr. Vogf stated that giving dog's ice to chew or ice water is a big
NO, NO; there should be no reason for them to have ice/ice water. Normal
water (room Temp.), or cooling with cold towels on the inter thigh, is the
best way to help cool a dog. How Dr. Vogf explained it to me was like this:
If you, as a person fall into a frozen lake what happens to our muscles?
Think about that, then compare that to your dog's stomach.

I felt the need to share this with everyone, in the hopes that some may
learn from what I went through, I do not wish this on anyone. **** is home
now doing fine. He does not like the fact that he has to be walked on lead
in the yard to keep him from running. He hates not being able to go out and
rough house with the others, but is doing great. So please if you do use ice
and ice water, beware as what could happen. 

  

I agree with you Trixx.  It is genetic.  If if was dry kibble and deap chest, 99% of  dogs would bloat.

Good article, Sunsilver. I especially agree with this part here:

There is no single, major gene that controls bloat. This is because dogs do not inherit bloat; they only inherit a predisposition for the condition.

Thanks for posting the video, Ruger1. Educational, even if it is very difficult to watch. I made my husband watch it so that he knows what to look for in our dogs.

Felloffher,
Dog's do not just "get over" bloat. What sounds like happened to me is that your dog ate a ton of snow and his stomach was totally full of water causing the dog to look "bloated"(much different than actual bloat". The water then was processed by the body and eliminated over the time frame you mention. Just an educated guess.
Debby


Ok thanks, figured it was the same thing. I don't think it was the snow causing him to bloat up it seemed like it was caused by the air he was inhaling. His stomach would expand just as much as the dog in the video, but would slowly receed as he passed gas.