The Vegas Factor????????? - Page 4

Atarths, yes I never set my eyes in a real life on Vegas  you 100% right about that, neither I am ashame of that. Neither I ever claimed I am an expert.

Now I do agree with you there is only one standard, now tell me how many working line are SG and V rated?

Once you do that tell me how many SL went through Nationals, World, in any dogs sport out there?

Now compare these numbers ;)

I guess work lines did get at least something right :)

BTW you posted on a public forum, "public" is the key word. You want people stay away from your post create your own forum, and make it "private" now "private" is the key word.

Thank you very much I am done with this threat.

BTW you started this beef by posting this like 10 times and pissing me off "

Jantie

   you have to accept my research I've done on working line dogs with super biting and all,, versus conformation and sceletal soundness like roach backs and stuff. You know some day you will have to wake up to the fact that there is only ONE breed standard NOT two."

If you wouldn't I would most likely not get involved in this threat. :)

I think all the talk of roach backs is due to a lack of knowledge at times.  Do you know where the back is?  Do you know where the withers end and the croup begins? 

I can't recall the last time I saw a roach back... really!  I do see some over angulated dogs and dogs with long hocks, I do see unsound dogs at times.  We seem to have gotten rid of the straight (terrier) fronts and soft backs which is good.  Most breeders try pretty hard to produce very correct dogs... correct in every way!  The strong working drives are a complete no - no for the average pet home and that's where most puppies end up.  Fact!

All the showline Shepherds I know, still guard, still protect and would doubtless be better for having a job to do... what dog wouldn't?  It doesn't mean that they're useless, it means they've got owners / handlers with no interest in working their dogs... fair enough! 

Hey aristian the question on this thread is NOT if you like Vegas or not . The question is directed to people with rich knowledge and experience on breeding showlines and it is specific for Vegas. I am puzzled on the way his genes orchestraited this beautiful Symphony of qualities. And i WONDER which of his ancestors is the most prepotent and mostly reflected on Vegas. My Q had nothing to do with W.L vs SL.

Sniper69,

Do another research on the mechanics of gait and skeletal engineering , then you will have a lot of questions answered. I suggest you start with a series ov dvd from Canine training systems called  German Shepherd dogs the german way.

Atarths, I tell you what I do like about Vegas, I think when he moves at a full speed he looks absolutely beutiful, but unfortunately for me that's where it starts and ends. On some of the videos that I watched him doing his bite rutine, he did impress me with that, but I didn't like the way he comes in for a bite. And I never said that there was anything wrong with the way he moves, or with his structure.

BTW out all the VA dogs I liked him best.

Awwww...I have a whole kennel full of Zac Efrons! Cute! lol Although, i like to think of them as little Zac Efrons with some karate training. They sure as heck can work! Then again, I buy on working ability, not pedigree. As far as Vegas, as with any dog, he is the product of what produced him. Meaning, he is parts of both his mother and father. Just as his progeny will be parts of him and whatever female he is bred too. His cannot solely be praised for his progeny nor condemned. He is only half of the picture.

I keep hearing a lot about Vegas - especially about his working ability and what it means to the highlines.  After all of the hype, I actually can across this video in another thread just last night.  The thread was NOT about him, but you could say I was more than surprised when I came across the link and even more so when once I watched it.  So, can anyone explain to me this video for his bitework from the 2007 Sieger Show?  I mean no disrespect so am only going to say, only a trial could show true working ability on a broad scale, but given the extremely small amount of having to do anything in the Sieger Show bitework, it is very unflattering to the breed to see such performances.

That’s what I said, but obviously I am not qualified to make that kind of statement. It's up to SL breeders to decide. :)

The only part that I truly enjoyed was him running on the long send. Because he moved quite nicely, and looked like that dog had something in him but the bit was poor at best.

Stop bitching now guys... it's too dreary!