Breed Improvement Suggestions for the UK GSD Breed Council - Page 6

I knew you'd know a web address for info DP.  Thank you.

I emailed John Cullen (BC Chairman) today re letters for BC/KC and asked for content advice.  Hope to post some more info tomorrow.

Thank you missbeeb - look foward to what he's got to say.

L

"I emailed John Cullen (BC Chairman) today re letters for BC/KC and asked for content advice.  Hope to post some more info tomorrow."

Yes, thank you Miss Beeb!

Bancroft, you're preaching to the converted.  Most of us who have been posting on here want the correct Shepherd in EVERY sense!

We could be just as condescending and say, that the working fraternity must be brave enough and have sufficient integrity to have their dogs surveyed... to prove they can stand up to scutiny!! 

I don't know why so many of the so called "working lot" have to be constantly bitching about the "breed people" even when many of "us" do work our dogs, sell to working homes, rehome with the police etc etc.  Have a look at the thread "Ursus v Batu" all working... whoa... he's "breed" and we breed people have been using him and others just like him... for YEARS.  I've seen many a poor handler in my time blame their dog in more than one working sphere!

So... give us a break Bancroft!

misbeeb

Bancroft is making a point that most of the other posters continue to ignore the GSD is a working utility dog it must be a prerequsiute that ALL breeding animals are tested for temperament, via the current SV and WUSV guidelines as does almost every country that has the breed,

The breed people harp on about hips, DNA ,elbows etc and walk round with dogs that are useless for anything other than lying on the couch and running round in circles, the recent protection practice at Birmingham SC attracted a measly 2 (thats TWO) entries

As a GSD enthusiast for almost 30 years and have breed shown, and worked in sch to the higher level, beleive me i know that the majority of breed (show) enthusiasts have NO real interest in the GSD as a functional dog.Because the level of committment is to high for kennels that want to keep 10 or so dogs and breed for supplying the pet market and their pockets

Reason, suggest you read ALL the postings... we've ALL already agreed that a working qualification should me mandatory.

You say we all walk around with dogs that are useless for anything but lying on the couch and running round in circles... and expect us to take you seriously?

Your attitude (so typical of those with little real knowledge) is why there's such a division!  Not everyone is interested in "manwork" which is clearly how YOU judge the whole dog... if you are a decent trainer you'll know that manwork's the easy part, it's the control that's the hard part & having worked ALL my dogs to various degrees and in different spheres I DO KNOW!  How many of our "useless dogs" have you tried to train?

If you can't join us in our quest... (and I'd like you to) please don't criticise our efforts without getting your facts right.

Missbeeb,

Here is the fallacy in your want of equal attention to Show/Work. The German Shepherd was not created to be shown, he was created to work. The founder of the breed had the vision to warn about breeders putting more emphasis on show/sport than working less the dog become dull and of no working value. You think he had a clue????? I am not knocking the show ring by any measure, but as Bancroft /Reason point out working has to be more than lipservice and the "foremost priority" if the dog is to retain the nobility of "utility". It is not difficult to see that many that are posting are agreeing to a working evaluation as a compromise not as a commitment. This is the exact formula for breeders that are producing the occaisional dog that "really can work" and the pet dogs generally that can't....and this is sad!!

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i have read the postings and a mandatory BH and  AD hardly fits WORKING, i did not mention MANWORK only the prescrided test which the SV and other clubs see as a prerequisuiite, as a point of FACT i can confirm i have bred and campaigned a breed champion and have trained and competed in sch with 5 different dogs some bred by myself and i have worked extensively to promote integration between working and breed clubs, the working club of which i am a member held a few years ago a breed survey were we then used a working judge to judge the koreung protection work and handed out certificates for those that passed, it is a shame the the majority (breed show) people cannot encompass these things iinto their programme od assesment before BREEEDING