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by Sock Puppet on 14 April 2010 - 17:04
Some and please reread that I said some people here have no spine. I call them jellyfish. Then you have the people who want to try and say don't bring this up here, this is wrong and we should just look the other way so that I can send puppy buyers and the like here but what they fail to think is she is breeding again hoarding dogs and when she gets busted again for abuse how is that going to look for all German shepherd breeders. More laws more regulation, more sad cases of abuse and all we hear is dont keep this going cause I might need to send puppy buyers here good god think of what you are saying. I want to send puppy buyers here to a place known were animal abusers post without being called out and somehow that is the right thing.
Kimmelot,
Yeah she has been dealt with by the law but here they are breeding and hoarding dogs again, why do you keep trying to defend her position you are nuts don't you understand this woman abused some great dogs but all you can worry about is your puppy buyers good grief what about the poor abused dogs.
by Keith Grossman on 14 April 2010 - 18:04
I'm sorry but I've got to call bullshit. There is a clear distinction between normal, acceptable animal husbandry and neglect/abuse and if you have ever witnessed the latter, it is unmistakable.
by TessJ10 on 14 April 2010 - 18:04
For many, many people, "normal, acceptable animal husbandry" does not allow dogs in crates for the 10 hours you're at work + sleep time + whatever other time.
The problem here is that kimmelot and DDR-DSH are equating the real abuses of AC with DDR's case, which of course is nonsense. Emaciated dogs covered with feces and urine burns is what DDR had, and I believe with my whole heart, has in her home right now. And of course because other people have suffered abuse at the hands of Animal Control, she's trying to put herself in that category, and of course no one's buying it.
But that still doesn't negate the fact that AC often does terrible things. I know someone who had a smoke alarm malfunction while they were at work. Neighbors heard the alarm, couldn't reach the homeowner, and with the best of intentions, called the fire department to make sure the house wasn't really on fire. Police and FD showed up, owner was reached and came flying home, police saw her dogs in their crates, Result? Animal Control was called and dogs were taken. "No food, no water" was one of the charges.
She eventually got her dogs back, but it was costly, and of course there were all the local newspaper articles about the cruelty charges against her and about the "no food & water."
DDR-DSH, don't you even chime in here - unlike YOUR dogs, these dogs were healthy, well-fed, and CLEAN. This was NOTHING like your case.
by Kimmelot on 14 April 2010 - 18:04
There is no excuse for leaving shit to pile up a foot high - but I WAS NOT THERE to see it.
All I am saying is that some one can come to your house and be offended and say anything. There is no excuse for starving an dog or horse or anything like that, and I am one that will quickly intervene or call AC myself if i see an animal in need. I am also a doer , not a watcher.. It is my thought tho that this board was not intended to break people down, it was for educational and social ( healthy social) reasons. I think that too many people here are addicted to drama .
If it is a fact that some one was shut down , then post it to the Classifieds and leave it a fact. Why is it right for all these people on here, only one knows this person and it an't me, to come on here and give there opinion on something they where not involved in ? In other post's here people are wishing her dead. This is nothing but bordering mental abuse.
Whisper Gray
by Sock Puppet on 14 April 2010 - 18:04
No I was not their but I have done something you have not I have read everything their is about DDR-DSH what about you, I already know the answer and if it is no then how can you base your opinion on selective reading.
You and your puppy buyers become a distant thought when it comes to animal abuse. Yeah lets send your puppy buyers here to read how bat shit crazy abused and choked dogs until they passed out. Yeah great things for them puppy buyers to read. Smart on your part.
by 4pack on 14 April 2010 - 18:04
yes please give us a break. A citation is a bit different than having your dogs siezed. Sure you could have been gone at work all day, when the AC showes up, your dog knocked his water dish over, shit up his kennel and finger painted in it. You might get a fine, probably a warning. I hardly think they will come take your 1-2 dogs for this, usually there is a warning, ticket, court date, something before they come to take your dogs. Usually several complaints, visits from AC with them witnessing the same crap.
I'm sure with the sheer volume of 57 dogs, the stink, flies and barking is compounding.
by Sock Puppet on 14 April 2010 - 18:04
Classifieds expire so lets leave it their and in a year it is gone. I hope one of your puppies never ends up in the clutches of someone as demented as bat shit crazy and I am sure if they did you would be here with your sad story. Please think before you post.
by Keith Grossman on 14 April 2010 - 18:04
Equating the use of a crate for the safety of a puppy or young dog when it can't be monitored to making an adult dog live, eat, sleep and eliminate in one is ridiculous. I'm sure that PETA, the HSUS and some overzealous AC officers would disagree and potentially even press the issue if given the opportunity but I can line up animal experts from vets to breeders to trainers for miles who will support my assertion. Note that I said overzealous AC officers; in any dealings I've had with AC people, I have found them to be fairly reasonable.
by TessJ10 on 14 April 2010 - 19:04
Personally, I don't know anyone who leaves water in a crate, but AC will charge you with it. And of course any food would be eaten, so there's never any food. But it's like any charges - they add up as many as they can, and "no food & water" in the crates is ALWAYS a charge. They can always drop them later.
Again, has NOTHING to do with the DDR's abuse conviction, and I'm glad you've found AC "fairly reasonable." You're lucky, that's all.
by NoCurs on 14 April 2010 - 19:04
You can look up Dept of Ag rules and regs on minimum housing requirements for research facilities. I did once to check them out but don't have them at hand right now. When I get a chance I can look them up. Basically it is common sense:
A dog must be able to stand up, turn around, AND BE ABLE TO CRAP AND NOT HAVE TO LAY IN IT IF THEY DO CRAP, and have access to food and water. Good lawdamassie, that makes sense, right?
This acceptance of keeping dogs "as toys in toy boxes" has slowly grown popular until now it is sadly "mainstream" and you have people saying it is "acceptable" to house dogs in shipping crates! At the turn of the last century a person was considered "cruel" for keeping "a big dog in the city"! Common sense has been sadly replaced by "what is easy".
If your dogs must live in boxes during the day - you have too many dogs to care for... PERIOD. If you can't manage your dog's barking, well, that's simply not an excuse. Especially for those who consider themselves "dog people". Perhaps we should look at the issue of why a dog barks nonstop... is this a bored dog? A dog not getting its needs met? Poorly bred from nervy animals that bark at every leaf dropping? A "noble" GSD should not be a neighborhood pest, and if he is chances are its from poor management practices on his owner's part.
You have too many dogs, any of you, if you cannot provide them with appropriate housing (not a shipping crate) to live in during the day. A simple kennel is inexpensive, allows the dog to move about, crap, drink, and have a bit of visual stimulation. It can provide protection from any type of weather and be made theft proof (if your dog would allow itself to be stolen). Think about the life of a dog sitting in a crate all day... kinda like you sitting in the trunk of your car, day after day, after day after day. Not something I would do to my "best friend". (And I own 12 dogs)
I don't mean to step on any toes, however, I feel strongly that this silent acceptance of illegal and downright lazy ownership practices needs to be spoken about.
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