Clarification on WDA members participating in USA events? - Page 6

Except, Dog1, WDA doesn't hold hardly any schutzhund trials in my area, so it's really pointless for someone like me to belong to WDA.  Besides I prefer to give my membership dollars  to the organization that actually holds the overwhelming majority of trials in this country, and therefore actually supports the sport in this country, and that would be UScA. 

 Dog1


  you say "First you have to be a WDA member to participate in WDA events. Why should USA be concerned?"

  I think you are making my point, WDA is not concerned about people that are not their members, and neither is UScA, but at least non-members can enter USA events.

Dog1 says: "As a member of a WUSV club you can participate in USA events which includes USA trials. You can enter but you have to have a scorebook. USA will not sell you a scorebook to participate in a trial of theirs you can enter! Get it? It doesn't make sense."

  The BIG point you are not getting is WDA is NOT a WUSV member. So you can not enter. Period. But if you are a GSDCA member you can enter, but GSDCA does NOT issue scorebooks because they do NOT offer working programs. You keep trying to twist it around that WDA is part of GSDCA when in reality it is NOT. it is a seperate organization with an agreement to host working events in place ONLY so they can get SV judges. So what you say is correct, if you are a member of a WUSV member org you can enter all WUSV member orgs events and your scorebook would be allowed. So WDA memebrs are not allowed to enter, GSDCA members are but GSDCA does not issue scorebooks. GET IT? And as far as UScA selling scorebooks to non-members, it does make sense. why should UScA members foot the bill for UScA's judges programs, office, National events and many other things just so non-members can just buy a scorebook and play too. That would not be fair to THEIR MEMBERS.

I get so confused my solution is for my dogs to have both scorebooks, only trial under SV judges, and for membership in both organizations.  Then I can show or trial wherever I feel like.

 I need to ask this for my own curiosity, What is the big deal with only trialing under S.V. Judges. I can,t believe people honestly think they are more correct or unbiased?.

 I am a USCA member and fel all the judging in which I have been involved with is fair and pretty much impartial. What is the need to have to "Trial only under S.V. judges" when USCA has many of our own judges with SVR titles.



 

Unknown, you prove my point. USA says you can enter,,,,but you can't because you can't get a scorebook. What sense does that make?

Why should USA foot the bill? Where do you get that from? USA sells services. Just sell a stupid USA book for 50.00 and suport yourself. Where would there be any money going to the WDA judges program? As you point out the WDA and GSDCA are seperate organizations.

Hey Randy:  How come WDA has a rule that you must be a WDA member to trial at a WDA trial?
 

 Dog1 says "Unknown, you prove my point. USA says you can enter,,,,but you can't because you can't get a scorebook. What sense does that make?"

  It makes a lot of sense. UScA is open to any member of a AWDF club to enter using their scorebooks. AWMA, USRC, NAWPBT, DVG, ect...are all welcome to come and enter and participate. what would NOT make sense would be to open entry to any person with no affliation to any of our affliated orgs. ie WDA members......


Dog1 says "Why should USA foot the bill? Where do you get that from? USA sells services. Just sell a stupid USA book for 50.00 and suport yourself. Where would there be any money going to the WDA judges program? As you point out the WDA and GSDCA are seperate organizations."


  You miss my point again. No one said anything about WDA judges program getting anything. My point was UScA membership fees pay for the judges programs and all the other services that UScA "MEMBERS" get. Why should they give those services to non-members. If you could just buy a scorebook for $50 then why would anyone join? Then you would only have to pay $50 for a scorebook every 5 years or so....I know you want what is good and easy for you but it would not make business sense for UScA to cut it's own throat....sorry

Bob, because my goal is to breed survey my dog.  I want their titles, show cards, and breed survey to hold up under the SV (I'm NOT saying one org is better than the other, SV, USA, WDA, DVG....I don't really give a flying crap to be honest).  Also, I don't want to have to repeat any of the steps when I go back and forth between orgs.  I have a BH from an SV judge so I can now do SchH1/IPO1 with any org as long as I have their scorebook.  Dog did BH in a WDA trial and will do SchH1 in a USA trial.  It has nothing to do with how I feel about the judging.  I like a lot of the USA judges.  Once I have my breed survey (which does not require all the way to SchH3), I don't care who I trial under.

 But you will only survey under a S.V. Judge?.

VKGSDs says " I want their titles, show cards, and breed survey to hold up under the SV" Just so you know, the SVR USA judges (there are 12 and easily identified on UScA's website)are recognized for Breed Surveys with the SV. And all USA titles are recognized.