Schutzhund and only schutzhund? - Page 6

Workingdogz I agree about the breeders , I Myself have trained a bit In schh but the sport is not what works for mé I like more RING and the KNPV but we dont have it In Denmark sadly but we dó have a similar programme to a little like KNPV not A's hard and that is what I train my dogs In I titled my male dog PH and are hoping to title my female this year. and Thère have been starting a tiny club In RING here hope to train my new pup In this and a little PH

I tend to prefer the precision that is required
in schutzhund.

It's always nice to see a powerful
dog that can keep power in all three phases while
remaining clear and under control. 
When you see that very picture, it makes
you stop and pay attention

Workingdogz I always like to see dogs go a litle overboard In bitework with a touch of ekstreme drive to a dog that has an opinion of its own I rarely like the Winners of WUSV Think its looks almost to boring but thats what I like

Bitework is only one phase,and everyone
always wants to see power of course.

I also like to see a good happy and willing
overall picture in obedience.

A dog that can maintain a happy (not frenzied)
picture, well, you can't mistake that look in the
dogs eye. There is a natural flow when a dog
and handler are in sync, and the dog that can
show that while also showing power in obedience,
thats impressive as hell to me.

Tracking is another, to watch a dog that is
so sure of itself track with confidence is
something special to see. No "worry"
in their work, they know what they are
asked to do, and while it goes against
their natural manner to track, they do what
they are asked. When the dog is out at the end
of that 30' line, all you have is what you
two have built together.

If someone just are breeding for titles or points I can see SCH being negative, but that could also be said about other sports like french ring or whatever. But I don´t see the dogs that wins in competitions always get most breedings, and to say a dog with good scores is bad is also a generalization. But SCH is not the only game in town, I don´t think a SCH-titled dog are more intressting for breeding compared to a dog doing other sports or policework, those dogs that only sits in the backyard and no one have seen even in training or some kind of testing is very seldom breed too anyway, maybe that´s more common in USA.

johan77,
It is pretty common here in the USA,
we have no breeding standards at all.
AKC is simply the "book keeper".

It's obvious to anyone with some
experience, you will see the
'breeders' that don't work/title their dogs
in some recognized arena (and no, it doesn't
have to be schutzhund, it can be anything),
these 'breeders' will ride on the coat tails
of the names in their dog's pedigree,
because they have nothing else.
Tiekerhook, Antverpa, Leefdalhof,
Jirkova Dvora etc  to name a few

So I guess that brings me full circle,
most that say "schutzhund sucks", why do
they buy dogs from titled schutzhund dogs?
and why mention the titled dogs in the
generations? It doesn't make sense?
Is a title only good when it's behind one of
'their' dogs?

Workingdogz. Yes I Would like to see a drivey dog In ob as Well like Javier hé has a very Nice obedience Johann Yes that could happen In All programs but that Does not matter that much In Ring because you Wont get a RING 3 ón a medium dog you must have a good Dog to get a 3 title schh ón the other hand every dog breed Can get a schh 3 title If youre a good handler many breeds dó schh even non working dogs like mals,gsd or rottis and dutchies

Myret, but my point is many workingdog breeders don´t breed a dog just because it has a SCH-title, so then it doesn´t matter if a mediocre dog is SCH-titled because it seldom are of intresst anyway for a good breeder. A good dog for you may be a mediocre dog for someone else, it looks to me far from all ring3 dogs are the "extreme" type you favour, so as always I´m more intressted in the dog itself compared to what sport/work it does.

that is mý point

breeders look at schh points when breeding in Denmark but again I dont think I would ever buy a dog from denmark they have not proved anything other than they can do schh


I dont say that RING 3 are exstreme but it just means that it is a very good dog

schh point are what many breeders only look for when breeding