Please stop killing and abuse in China,it always happen to a no value and low quality dogs. - Page 7

JPTAGAS

I have to agree...Cruelty happens in every country, for many reasons.

I have a question...The destruction of so many dogs in China was done as an attempt to prevent the spread of rabies to the people, ordered by the government...That makes it cruelty by the government's hand, and it was stated above that "culture" and "government" cannot be used interchangeably...So my question is, if this cruelty is a function of government and not culture, in China, for the sake of not offending anyone, then who is responsible for the consumption of dogs, cats, rats, and other mammals in China over the past centuries?

And the consumption of horse meat in Florida...Is that the governement's doing?  Or is that cultural? 

I am just trying to understand how you make the distinction...It's clear that if the police are killing animals by the thousands that would be governmental, but what about the rest?

I just wondered...If not offending the culture of other countries is PC, then why are we worried about a law to make it illegal to sell dogs and cats for food in China?  If it is the way of their culture to consume these animals, who are we to condemn their way?  Isn't that what brings change...People condemning a practice?  There are many practices that were part of cultures around the world, slavery being one of them.  But the outrage that began to build regarding slavery forced a change, to where slavery is illegal here and in many other countries.

I shake my head when I see people defending the way a country does things, and then in the next breath complaining about the way those things are done.

Crys

Prager,

I know. 
I wasn't upset nor thought you were attacking me.  All is good. 

Brandi =)

Eating dogs is a part of the  culture in some countries. We eat beef and people from India must be appalled by the even thought of it. We eat pigs and some muslims want to kill us.   In Europe a horse meat is eaten.  Now our government in their infinite wisdom, passed the law that that "horrific" practice must stop. Now people who can't efford such horses  normally would  be selling them to humane slaughter. Such horse meat then was   sold to Europe for food. But now these people  are letting these horses to starve in the lots or let them die in the desert. So I am not going to condemn a culture because they eat rats, dogs or cows.  We have to eat. And if you eat meat then someone  had to kill it. And if it is a cow, horse, pig or dog is immaterial. That is a fact of life. The point is to kill the animals intended for food as painlessly and humanly as possible because they have emotions and feel pain.
 To kill the dogs with the sticks in the street or drag them behind the motorcycle  is not humane. And that is wht this thread is all about.
Prager Hans 

I love dogs as much as anyone here. Dedicating huge amounts of time to local rescues as well as owning a rescue and fostering 1 currently. As well as owning multiple working GSD's. With that said-

I was stationed throughout the pacific while in the military and while I was in Korea I ate dog. I dont know the spelling but its pronounced kaygogi. It is a delicasy in which they breed and slaughter a specific breed for human consumption. A bit greasy but is not bad.

I dont understand the difference if you eat chicken, beef, pork, deer, elk, etc......... I either hunt or purchase my meat from local butchers. I do not support corporate america in that sense. As well as growing up on a farm and working on farms I have quite a bit of knowledge of how these animals are raised and slaughter. Has any one here been in a laying house? nastiest place on earth in which your eggs and egg byproducts come from. Pig farms? nasty. Dairy farms? nasty. etc..... All of which large amounts of animals are stored in minimal spaces with substitutues and additives to make them top producers. There lives a based upon the sole purpose of supplying us food or resources. from birth to the grave. There is nothing humane about it. but i bet it doesnt stop many of us from buying mayo, or milk, or steaks, etc...

So before you start jumping on those whom eat something you dont. think about it long and hard.


We also had many outbreaks of rabies in the south. The local watering whole about 7 miles from my home in NC was raided by AC and they caught and condemed better than 100 cats eating from dumpsters with rabies. There are effective and humane ways of dealing with this issue.

So i am in no way supporting the chinese in these cruel acts!

Well said, Yoshy!! Many of us would have to become vegetarian or vegan, if we had to "produce" our own meat. I have been in a situation where I had to discuss the workings of a meat packing plant with numerous individuals. Just hearing them describe their jobs was almost enough to make me give up meat. Fortunately, I never had to enter the place myself. I am sure I would have been greatly affected, if I had. ¶As Prager said, we all must eat. That means something must die, in order for us to consume it. Whether it is killed by gun, bow, or cattle-knocker and blade, it is killed and most of us enjoy eating the flesh. Hell, we even quasi-ritualize some of the meat comsumption, depending upon the holiday and time of year. (Think barbecues and Thanksgiving.) ¶Cultural background may dictate only which other living creatures we consider "off limits" for consumption, but only in rare instances onplanet Earth does cultural background lead to eschewing all flesh consumption. ¶Has anyone else considered that dare-devil gene was an evolutionary necessity, so there'd be someone daring enough to go out and kill something for dinner? :-)

"The destruction of so many dogs in China was done as an attempt to prevent the spread of rabies to the people, ordered by the government...That makes it cruelty by the government's hand"

No, that makes it an unfortunate necessity occasioned by the government's failure to deal forcibly and aggressively with the stray/feral dog issue before it mushroomed into a massive public health crisis.

Let me ask you this: if you lived down the street from woods harboring a pack of semi-wild dogs, among whom some were rabid and people in your neighborhood had died from being bitten by them, wouldn't you expect the authorities to destroy the pack before your children were attacked?  Would you expect the authorities to take their time identifying dogs that weren't part of the pack but just running loose, thus prolonging the process of eradicating the dangerous pack?  And would you be more concerned about the means employed or with the speed with which they were dispatched?

As for the eating of animals, I fully agree with Hans: people in India must be appalled at beef-eaters, Westerners are appalled at dog-eaters, Muslims and Jews are appalled at pork-eaters. So it's all in whose oxen is being gored - or rather, eaten, and the only people with any room to complain about anyone else's meat of choice are vegetarians.

And as for horse meat being consumed in Florida and whether this is a governmental or cultural phenomenon, it's clearly not something being done by or at the behest of the government, and until I see horse meat next to the hamburger at my local Stop and Shop I can't say that it is an American cultural behavior - but it may be a local one. 

I agree, Deluxe...

As for the the hypothetic rabid dog pack...by the time one person had been attacked, a group of folks would be packing their sidearms and rifles, and taking care of that pack, right along with local authorities...it's the way things are done.  I have no problem with killing animals that present a threat to human life.  But you can bet that it would be quick death, not catching the dog and beating it to death with sticks or dragging him down the road until he dies.  A bullet is a fast, efficient way of killing.  No matter what, I am concerned that the death be quick..

I have no problem with killing animals to eat..OK, I don't do the killing, or the gutting, but I do help with catching, and with cleaning, skinning, cutting up, wrapping, all that stuff.  We buy them with the intention of killing them in the end.  But they are raised as well as possible, given the best foods we can afford, fresh water, bedding, all that.

As was stated by you and others, in different parts of the world, different animals are the food sources...I personally don't eat pork, either, but I'm neither Jewish nor Muslim...I just don't eat it, or like it.  I also don't eat shellfish...Only salmon and cod, tuna, those sorts of fish. We tend to want to push our personal preferences onto others...Westerners not liking the consumption of dogs and cats, Folks in India being horrified that we eat beef...Then there's horse meat.

I'm not going to campaign for the end of dog and cat consumption in China.  The only issue I see is that the animals should be killed quickly and humanely.  Eat whatever it takes to keep you healthy and strong. 

Crys

"As for the eating of animals, I fully agree with Hans: people in India must be appalled at beef-eaters, Westerners are appalled at dog-eaters, Muslims and Jews are appalled at pork-eaters. So it's all in whose oxen is being gored - or rather, eaten, and the only people with any room to complain about anyone else's meat of choice are vegetarians."

It is indeed a case where cultural factors, religion and customs dictate what people eat and it is close-minded to view what is done in the West as being the only way and the right way.

Even among strict Hindus who will not eat the flesh of any animal but are vegetarians, there is a sizable sub-group called the Jains, who will not eat any plant life unless it derived above the ground. So they will eat tomatoes or spinach or beans but will not eat potatoes or onions because they view eating the latter category as ending the life of that plant since one is, in effect, eating a root component. Also, Jain monks and strict adherents walk around wearing a mask lest they accidentally swallow an insect or other microbe and thus take life!

As for the Chinese, they pretty much eat any animal form and just about every part of the animal. When we were in China last year the biggest problems we had were with the food and the language since English is generally not spoken. We had to be careful what we ate not because we dispproved of what meat they would eat but because of our cultural biases and customs as Americans. Historically, the reason why the Chinese are so open to what they eat has to do with the fact that in years gone by they faced famine from time to time and had to eat anything that was available to survive.

The need to survive is a powerful motivator when it comes to what we are willing to eat. Recall the plane crash in the Andes where the survivors started eating the flesh of other dead passengers. A movie was made of that incident.

The most we should expect and push for is the humane killing of animals irrespective of the country.