FCI standard vs the AKC standard - Page 8

If we were required to title and survey our cats. would their offspring protect us?

Of course.

LOL, maybe in a 100 years.  :) 

Selective breeding is a powerful tool ;)

"BTW If you were referring to me, ILMD, let's be clear that I don't like to hear ANY GSD referred to as "disgusting", be it mine or yours'

let's make another tthing clear blitz, I didn't refer to any GSD as disgusting and don't attribute such to me.

Another thing that seems very clear is that you have an ASL you like, if you make two posts in any thread you will mention itat least once. good for you and the dog, but you seem incapable of understanding that not agreeing with the GSDCA is not meant as an insult to either you or your dog. Niether does one good example vet the GSD that has come to be under GSDCA guidance.

There are tens of thousands of GSD produced every year under AKC/GSDCA guidelines, how many go on to perform as the dog was orginally intended. A good pet does not a breed make.

I've taken adult dogs with no bite training to be tested. They have always bitten. Perhaps it matters how you treat your dogs and if they have spent time with you (bonded). Another bad experience having your dog bite an intruder.
 By contrast I've seen a trained IPO3 dog turn on the young lady handler when the decoy hid behind a blind, and the dog had no other person to focus it's agression on. 

The pastern hock angulation issues existed in the breed since the beggining, titles do not control the angulation. I dabble in the bully, dogo and terrier sections too, many of those have great grips, but no titles. I love the trials, but for many with dogs that can and do work ( but who live away from any club) that is not a possibility.

If you want the dogs that win to be less angulated you will have to start to show or vote and support judges that put up less angulated GSDs.

If you just want a working dog with training and trial title, it does not even have to be a GSD. Maybe it does not even have to be pure bred as I am told some KNPV dogs are not.

The standards are practically identical.

The standards are not identical and I've been a National Level Helper for USCA and WDA and I've started 1000's of dogs in bite work over the 20+ years I've been a helper and NO they don't bite on their own.  Complete fable. A handful (less than 20) have had the light switch go on immediately and been on the mark ready to grip.

Conversly I have seen titled and trained dogs fail a breed survey who weren't prepped properly on what was going on (i.e. thinking they were out on a walk in the park).  Trained, titled dogs, failed. 

Put up the videos of all these dogs biting to protect out of instinct.  Watch the video here on the PDB.  It just doesn't happen that way.  The level of committment needed to bite is a far higher threshold than most dogs can overcome. 

ILMD, I didnt say YOU used the term disgusting. As for the rest of your post, you have your opinion, I have mine. I am not incapable of understanding thank you. I like my ASL but she would not have been my first choice for another dog. She needed a home and I needed a dog, simple as that. I don't normally talk about my dogs here. If I had a podium dog I probably would.

We will never agree on everything, but I do agree with your assessment that the lack of oversight by AKC has created a terrible problem with the over population of pet GSD's. I'm wondering if Germany or any FCI countries are able to prevent that with stringent breeding rules?

Finding working rules from various FCI clubs can be found on the individual clubs' website, you will need a translator for them

FCI must approve the "working trial" regulaitons for each country for it to be used as "with working trial" requirement.

Since AKC isn't a member of FCI, I have a feeling that its impossible to have a working trial approved for USA>

Do you think many people who claim a dog would naturally protect them would be filming it when it happened?

The AKC is just a money grabbing club......
They SAY that breeding for health is important, but they do not require breeders to do minimal healh checks or tests.......
YES, it would take a few programming hours, but once set up, it wouldn't cost them much to do this, and the cost would of course be passed on to the owners/breeders.



I remember a doberman without legs having a litter of AKC registered puppies.......freaking amazing!