Earliest roach or BANANA-back in PDB...??? - Page 1

Chance to encounter this bitch in URMA 1986... Outlining all the VA-dogs  Zwinger Wienerau and Arminius had produced in the past...  

Roulette von der Wienerau ...... This other LADY is missing data...  

Delfy von Schaffhausen ..... was there any cross-breeding done to make that ARCHED-BACK...????

http://www.pedigreedatabase.com/gsd/bulletins_read/166919.html#167129

I did not know that there was an URMA 1986! Mine start in the year 1994. Maybe, I missed something? Could you clarify? In his foreword, Urban Pettersson also stated that this is his first book.

As to the newest thread about this nonsense with banana-backs, I have nothing more to say about that. I have tried to explain this in the topic I started about toplines. You might want to read it? Just put "toplines" into the search area. It is getting so tiresome, but I am sure there will be people happy to contribute.

I'm sorry... my mistake... It was URMA 1996 when Visum was Sieger.... there was a Tribute to the Martin brothers who just passed away... that year I think...

Before digging deeper you might want to further clarify what you consider a banana back.  I'm sure you'd get different definitions depending on if you ask the show crowd or the working crowd.  LOL.

For example, is this what you would call a banana back...?

Or this...?

Or this...?

Or do you dismiss all of the above as "just a bad stack"?

Ok. Someone answer me this.  Why would anyone breed to get a back like the ones above? What is the purpose of the "roach back?" 

In my opinion, those are some REALLY bad looking dogs!

The angled, straight back is SOOOO much more attractive, regal looking and I would think a lot less stress on the backbone.

But, just my opinion.

There must be ALOT of bad handling in German shows!  They just don't know how to stack!   ;-)

Yes, they look bad, but those roach-backed GS must be really great gallopers - at least for their weight and build.

Sorry, I've never seen a dog outside GS that has a roach that wasn't meant for being able to RUN like the wind (not trot).  They're sighthounds as a rule, and greyhounds specifically.

I'm sorry if you got me wrong guys... I was searching for the lines that shaped the modern-back of the VA-line dogs... Historically the GSDs backs  are long with a very high and prominent  WITHER ( I remember being a child seing one of the old type of GSD and thinking that the prominent wither is because the GSD was part of the working-group e.g. Dobes, Rotts. then as opposed to the herding group now...) some of the DDR dogs (not the bulky-ones)  and most of the high-drive Working-line GSDs maintained the prominent withers and somewhat longer backs (SOME even have NICKS at the withers) which I'm thinking is a sign that,  these dogs bloodlines USED TO HAVE Prominent withers... Now getting back to the ARCHED back ( lets not call it BANANA's) the very noticeable break in the topline making the back really SHORT nad making the Croup-line (top of the loins going to the pelvis) LONGER... This according to history was done as an OVER -COMPENSATION to the long-backs the R-LITTER contributed to the bloodlines after WW2....  My Question was "What Bloodlines were used to make the BACK SHORT..???" Alf Nordfelsen and who else...??? Follow-up question is how do you breed for prominent withers..?? I not refering to the HIGH withers that are due to the lack of angulation on the shoulder assembly... I refering to REAL WORKING Withers...