Socks' threads - Page 3

 Kczaja,

I agree that this is the site belonging to someone else. However, I believe you are new enough to not understand that in the past there were moderators who "helped" Oli as he does not spend time daily here. The problem was that they were buddies (at least at one time) and they had an agenda. So they deleted things THEY thought should not be here. I believe at least one of them is still functioning as such.

No, other than Ripoff.com, there is no bad breeder/blacklist out there. This is EXACTLY why DOCUMENTED abuses should be posted to legitimate sites. There should be standards for how complaints are handled, and complaints can range from breeder complaints to complaints from buyers. I have long thought of setting up an independent board of arbitrators for people who feel they have been treated unfairly to present their case to. There are ways it could be done and done effectively and fairly with a small group of arbitrators, not unlike one sees in the rest of the world.

I am thinking about this and have already contacted a few people whom I feel would serve well in that capacity. In this way, with clear rules, and clear burden of proof requirements, cases would either be proven or unproven to the satisfaction of the board of arbitrators. We might even get breeders to sign on agreeing to have contracts that dealt with minimum standards.....

You may not agree and that is fine. But I, for one, am sick of seeing all the abuses going on in the GSD world. It is high time those of us who say we care clean up our own breed. Otherwise, we are just hypocrites.

Yes, This is certainly the venue for it.    Especially when the proof has been documented as in the two instances already described.  

If it saves even one person from having to go through this same type of thing again with an unethical person, then it is worth it.  If we do not stand up and say "We will not tolerate this kind of crap"  who will.  No one, and then this breed  is going to continue to be ruined.

We have to find a way for our voices to be heard, at all levels.  We need to all contact the various organizations and state that we want them to take a stand against this kind of behaviour.  This is exactly the kind of people that need to be put out of business and out of the breed permanently!!!!! 

Marsha Seck

I suspect that more and more owners of Web boards are becoming concerned about becoming the objects of lawsuits for slander/libel as a result of anonymous posts to their boards. Take a look at this site: www.chillingeffects.org  .

Believe me, I could flood this board with horror stories. I train dogs constantly from local breeders, and things I've heard...wow. And it makes me sick. Like I said, someone should make different board for it, someone who wants a public place for these kinds of things. Or perhaps a website that will only post court documented cases.

Clean up the breed: Absolutely. But look at this site- do you think it was created for vendettas and public outings?  I think it's very presumptous for anyone to tell the site owner what he "needs" to do.  If someone feels that strongly about it, there are many bulletin boards out there that are free to create and easy to use. Somebody go make one and take all the drama there. I know I for one would check that kind of site frequesntly- because I DO believe people need to held liable for their own actions. I am simply encouraging someone to make an appropriate place for it.

The issue in question is apparently FAR from over.  Customer Relations??? Nearly every business is dependent on them. The sooner any business owner learns that, and either hones their skills or delegates the responsibility to someone with better skills and better emotional control than they themselves are certain they can manage reliably, the better off, more successful they will be, and the less aggravation they will suffer.

BTW: Good, ethical, relationship-based sales skills are IMO, 50%+ natural (read: born with them) and the rest may or may not be enhanced with training and experience. No empathy, no ethics, no deep sense of responsibility and unselfish conviction... short career. Its like dancing. If your are born with rythm, (sp?) practice and dancing lessons might make you a pretty good dancer. No rhythm? All the practice and lessons in the world are not going to help.

Off the soapbox now.

SS

If Brady reads this: When you search ripoffreport for "german shepherd" your case does not come up, I believe because in your header you spelled it "Shepard". You may want to edit it if possible so it is more easily found, I only found it under advanced search.

 KCzaja,

If someone were to start such a site, how do the people come to it? Here is a time proven site with thousands of readers. This is why it is so valuable. People can choose to read or not read any thread. Believe me, many of the people posting now are absolutely the ones who would take someone to task for unfounded crap. But I too believe that we are and should be the same people who do allow the "drama" as you put it. It was clear, for example, that in the recent thread on the trainer in NC who was not caring for dogs in his custody lost at least one potential client. The case was crystal clear and someone decided NOT to send their dog to him when they saw the condition of dogs coming from his care. That seems to me to be a just use of this board.

As for lawsuits, anyone can sue anyone anytime for any reason. That is exactly WHY one should have all the ducks in a row when bringing any type of negative comments to a public forum. Lately, I see this board working as it should. Several people, puppy mills to be exact, who were using this site to promote their unethical breeding practices are getting out of the breed, including one who just posted a dog for sale today. That too seems like a good thing to me.

When people are silent, abuses continue. That is my point.

It will be interesting to see if this thread is deleted............hmmmmmm

Evidently the truth hurts, and that is why the thread was removed