Gunshot test - Page 1

I was wondering , can a Judge disqualify a dog if it barks at him during the Gunshots. Can he disqualify the dog on the grounds of it being too agressive? Just barking angrily at him NOT making a move to bite. Isnt gunshyness that they check? One of my females did that and got disqualified. She associates the gunshot with the wip sound during protection training. She is certainly Not gunshy though. In fact not shy of anything !!!

As with everything, the judge makes the decision.

This is per the rule book:

"The gunshots

For dogs that do not appear gunshot indifferent: For the pesent, it is valid that dogs which are gunshot aggressive do not fall into the "gunshy" category. Aggressive behavior falls within the judgement of impatriality.

In evaluating the gunshots, the judge must consider if the reaction is a training error. For example, if a dog gets up on the long down, the judge must determine if it was connected with the gunshots or a training problem.

In doubful cases, the judge is obligated to assess the dog's gunshot-indifference by first instructing the handler to put the dog on lead. Shots will then be fired by the judge at a distance of about 15 paces, during which the dog must remain on a loose lead.

If a dog proves to be gun-shy, it will immediately be eliminated from the trial, no points will be awarded."

Question, was someone else at trial firing the gun or was the judge?

My thoughts? if you are heeling, the gun is fired, the dog barks, no big deal. The dog looks back to the sound, no big deal. If the dog broke the heeling and went toward the judge, then that is a big deal.

You did not give enough information as to what happened exactly. Maybe more information is needed to make a more accurate assessment and comment.

Deeswolf

After the courage test , before the dogs start the walk around the Judge himself was firing the gun from 15 paces. My dog was obviously on leash healing to the handler and she merely barked to the judge WITHOUT making a move towards him. She was barking agressively but without making any attack. After the judge said she was very aggressive the handler took the dog right next to te judge to demonstrate that  she wouldnt bite or anything and he still would insist that she was over aggressive!!!! My question is do we want our dogs to be totally indifferent if someones shoots at us????

Isnt gun shyness what this drill is supposed to check? Mind you the helper told everyone that this particular female executed the best bite of the day from all dogs, Males and Females.

If I have to I will be making the name of this judge known as he is an S.V. high, ranking Judge.

Okay, do I understand this correctly??? AFTER you did phase C, the judge fires the gun, while the dog is loaded from protection?

"After the courage test"?????   Whaaaaat?

I'm with DeesNuts!  This is Schutzhund?  Are the judges allowed to change the rules in the middle of a trial?  Did the judge do this with every single dog or just this one in particular?  The gunfire is to come twice for every dog.  Once in the heeling and once in the long down.    Who was the judge? 

More to the story I'm sure.  If the dog was on leash after the courage test when the judge fire the gun, that doesn't seem to fit any normal Schutzhund senario. 

Gunfire in protection is like whip cracking.  Some dogs get fired up.  I would have sent the dog. 

All biting finished (for both males and females) then the males hit the ring and then we followed. The judge fired a few shots while the dogs were standing before the walk around started waiting for his signal to start the rounds. Thats when it all happened. I mean i ve heard of dogs getting disqualified for being scared from the shot but being knocked out for being protective is very hard to swallow>

Ah, so you did a performance test, attack out of the blind, and long bite, the dog passed, and then you went into the show ring for the working dog class???? if the dog shows aggression of any kind in the show ring during that, the judge can dismiss the dog, and SHOULD!

You weren't actually at a working dog trial, where you did the three phases, but a show, correct? was this your breed survey?