puppy fading syndrome - Page 1

hi, im seeking information regarding the product sold by the natural rearing company... to prevent puppy fading.could anyone who has used this product comment on its effectiveness or its ineffectiveness,thank you so much...jade

I have used some stuff that sounds the same and it saved two litters that I had. So I recomend it. Heather

You may also find this article very interesting: http://www.videxgsd.com/canine_herpes.htm

I have used the cannine Herpes Vaccination a few times now,and each time have had no problems.Good sized litters and all healthy.Would reccomend.

Hi All Whereas the two items mentioned above i.e Natural Rearing Product and Herpes Vaccination, will help alleviate fatalities caused by a) Poor nutrition and b) The Virus infection Canine Herpes. For the benefit of any Novice readers I feel compelled to emphasise that the most common causes of Fading Puppies are dystocia (long or problematic whelping) and Hypothermia (low body temperature). The second of which can be a symptom of the first. For example the lungs of normal pups contain a foamy substance called 'Surfactant' which can be wholly or partially destroyed during a traumatic whelping. Be that be length of time in the vulva or delay in the removal of the pup from it's amniotic sac. This foamy substance is essential to stop the lungs from calapsing but also for circulation which in turn helps stop hypothermia. Hyperthermia can also effect the pup who if one of the first born may in the hours to follow become constantly drenched by the fluid passed after the subsequent births of it's siblings. I mention these things because I firmly believe the high percentage of fading puppies experienced by some breeders are due to the whelping bitch often been left to her own devises. To some this may seem reasonable, after all this is what happens in the wild, but survival rate in the wild is low and if you insist in leaving the bitch to get on with it herself, a low survival rate is exactly what you might get. With good kennel management very few pups should be lost from Fading Puppy Syndrome. The bitch should whelp in a warm room, free from damp & drafts. The breeder should keep Constant vigilance on proceedings, armed with plenty of dry towels to keep pups warm & dry during subsequent births and to lend a helping hand if any difficulties arise (such as breach births etc). Keeping the whelping box clean & dry and moving the pups back near the dam after each new whelp has been born will also allieviate some of the pups from stress & exhaustion. In other words the easier the process for the pups, the more chance of survival. I am constantly amazed at the amount of breeders who appear to think it is normal to lose two or three pups from a litter in the first week. I don't! Providing the pups are born alive I expect to rear all of them, be that 6, 10 or 11 pups. Best Regards Sue Belfield

SueB- you have some very good points,I had a litter of nine recently never lost one, just as you said kept all dry and warm, the last one did need oxytocin to come out though, if I wasn't home, I probably would have lost it, I have a vet on call who is great as well. I think sometimes it could be viral, so covering all your bases is a must, if the breeder feels the jab may be necessary, then he needs to make the call, it could save the whole litter... Some areas have a higher prevalence for certain parasites seen/and unseen. Also some dogs/bitches don't have very strong immunity condition could have dropped dur to stress etc...

I have to say that in my situation it was the herpe virus....I always sit with my girls all through labor and help them along, and keep the room very warm, clean ect. I also sit with them for the first 4 days just to make sure that mom is doing fine and so are the pups. Heather

Exactly Charisma, obviously a breeder after my own heart. I agree with you that sometimes it can be a parasite infestation but again Good Kennel Management would ensure this did not occur. I also agree it could be viral, but though Canine Herpes has always existed I can quite honestly say I never heard much mention of it here in the UK before. At least not until the recent flood of German Imported bitches which are now regulary entering the UK. Of course since the introduction of the Pet Passport we are also seeing an upsurge of imported males, so much so that they are fast becoming Two a Penny and everybody wants one!! And the trouble is as more who jump onto the band wagan to own one (if you pardon the expression) 'Two a Penny' is exactly what some of them look like. Next it will be 'Buy one, Get one Free'!! Wonder what we will be having to put up with next? best regards Sue

thanks to all of you for the helpful information...jade

So, what is that product by the Natural Rearing company called? Did I miss something, or was Jade's question never answered? This aroused my curiousity. A few years ago, I had lost an entire newborn litter to CHV. Anything, I can try to prevent that is worth getting. Unfortunately, this vaccine is not available in the U.S. Chris