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Hi David  (CC-other interested readers),

I read your comments about Impression 2007--Sieger show in Germany and was particularly interested in your thoughts about Nando Vom Gollerweiher: If he truly is way above 66 cm height limit (as allowed by the SV), why was he even allowed to be passed as a breeding dog, let alone his VA ranking.

I hope the SV rules haven't changed. You know, I am going to adopt a female GSD pup from a kennel in USA, i.e. Wilhendorf in Connecticut and the kennel has bred Nando with a female named Lasi. Now, I did not know that Nando might have some SV-rules-related issue when I commited to buy the pup. This does not mean that I am disappointed or something, 'cos I just needed a happy & healthy family companion and didn't want a show dog or something. But I will certainly say that I am consfused as to what is true or what is not.

But assuming what you are telling is truth (i.e if Nando measures more than 66 cm at withers and is a "big" dog), I am confused as to who is correct here: You or the Nando's breeder (and Wilhendorf?)...?  There are two possiblilities: Either you are right or Nando's breeder (and Wilhendorf keenel which claims to stick by SV rules on its website) is right with regards to the sanctitiy of SV rules.

Is there any genuine documentation which could give details of these dogs which have been doubted by critics like you. Please do not misinterpret my question, you may be correct in saying whatever you state. But when you make direct statements, please support it with proof--that will not only validate your claims/comments, but it will also be a major milestone in fighting corruption/politics that might have pervaded in today's GSD breeding world that bend the sacrosanct SV rules.

Thanks a lot. Please do reply.

Regards--Krishnan

 

Nando is a big dog, no question. I have stood next to him and there is no doubt. But he has been Surveyed and is therefore eligible to breed with.

At his last show only a week or so ago under Meyer, he was placed V4 behind the V2 and V7 dogs from the BSZS 2007 and the comment was made that he is too big. So you will probably find that he wont appear at this years BSZS because the word is that he wont be VA this time around.

And that is not to say that he isn't a lovely dog, because he certainly is, but unfortunately, he is too tall. Of course that does not condemn his progeny!

 

 

I would say it does not condemn the progheny, but it does raise a nasty question, if those that do follow SV rules and dont bend them and look down later if something is wrong and bring it to everyones attention, then those progheny were born or bred under suspicion of a dog not worthy of breeding, because , if someone had not fudged.....he wouldnt have gotten the rating, thought he would be   KK2....

 

I dont know if he is KK2 or kk1 ,,,didnt look it up...but does raise a serious discussion.....only from an argumental point...Im sure his kids are fine in the eyes of the owners,,but business is business..

 

Nando is Kkl1. This is required for a dog to VA. My understanding is that Nando is OVER 66 cm and therefore,if the breed rules were enforced,he would not even have a breed survey. I'm glad that he does though...AWESOME dog!!

Cheers

This baffles me, if we are to preserve our breed, shouldnt our standard be enforced?

I do not think ANY dog, regardless of bloodline, owner or trainer should be given leeway. How are we too keep a GSD a GSD if we are just handing out VA's and Breed surveys to any dog that walks into the ring? I was under the impression that the SV and Seiger shows were meant as breed worthiness tests......

Judges should not be afraid to hurt peoples feelings, if your dog is not up to standard they should immediatley put you at the BACK of the line.

The GSD is turning into a mockery of a great breed. Its very saddening. I really hope this issue is solved ASAP.

Alot of GSD do not even look like GSD anymore, and they are handed the right to breed?!?!

That being said, I have seen a few showline dogs that ARE worthy of there title, unfortinately they are the minority.

 

 

Sorry all, I am a novice with my panties in a bunch, forgive my rant!

 

 

Bianca

 

Many great dogs have one or two less than perfect things about them. Although this less-than-perfect thing should and probably will keep them from achieving VA, that does not mean that the dog does not have some tremendous things to contribute to the breed as a sire or dam.

One would assume that the Koermeister--who I guarantee has evaluated more dogs than you or I--found that the benefits and strengths of this dog outweighed the minor size fault. A size fault is no worse--and probably a great deal better--than many other "faults" found in dogs that are approved for and frequently used for breeding.

What we, as breeders and GSD lovers, should do is not compound that fault. So you don't breed a top-size bitch from a background of large dogs to a dog who is himself oversized; you don't breed an edgy sharp dog to an edgy sharp bitch--not unless you wish the obvious result--a litter of mostly oversized puppies or a litter of sharp-shy puppies.

No dog is completely without fault or cannot be improved in some way. A size fault, in my opinion as a breeder and fan of GSDs, is far less serious than a temperament or health or even a major conformation fault such as a husky tail or Corgi ears or flat "hare" feet. But each breeder makes those decisions and uses his or her judgment as he makes that decision to breed. If you don't trust the judgment and ability of a breeder to make a good selection of parents, to make good choices to improve the breed with each succeeding generation--then don't get a dog from that breeder.

 

As I generally prefer the highly qualified, if not more balanced interpretation of Fred Lanting, I re-visited his 2006/7 years Sieger Impressions. His 2006 one makes no mention of undue height at all, whereas last year one includes following remarks: “Nando Gollerweiher, a dark and well-pigmented dog of pleasing outline and proportions. Only 3.5 years old this year, he will probably be at his peak next year in Aachen.” Speaking about a certain German Breeder, they “skipped entering the Sieger Show this year because of the SV/FCI crackdown on size. Most of what they had to show was a centimeter or so over the recently enforced “maximum”. Then: “Judges are under much greater pressure these days to penalize withers height than they have been since the days of Vello Sieben-Faulen.” And: “I was told that Zeppo is too tall for today’s ‘wicket-crazy’ breed wardens …” Maybe things are really not as bad or corrupt as some suggest.