Conformation Critique - Page 1

This is a two year old (two in May) showline male, son of Erasmus van Noort. He received a VP1 rating as a puppy. He is my first showline male. I am hoping to show him and would like to send him to Jeff Rentz to have him titled. I have never raised a showline from a puppy, so don't have a lot of experience with how they develop. Right now, he stands very narrow in the front, a bit "east west" and his elbows seem to point inward towards each other. However, he moves straight and has a beautiful gait. Is he likely to grow out of this? Is this common? Any info is greatly appreciated. I can take additional photos, as I know these aren't the most helpful, and the free stack is terrible, but these are all I have at the time.

If it might help, here also is a video of him playing fetch, so you can see his movement.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qVBmZQ_R7aI

Anyone...please??

Let us put things straight here:

1) The dog is good from an anatomy point of view.

2) It is too late now for much to be done as it seems the dog is completely untrained regarding the showring.

3) His ball drive does not seem to be high enough but this has to do also with you.

3) It would be best if you just leave him alone regarding training and have him trained by someone who knows what he is doing. No offense but you do not.

4) Generally speaking you should have bothered much earlier for his training. It is too late now to get the best results the dog could win if properly trained when younger.

I also think that this dog will not do well when titled. Either he will not comply or (if the trainer is using aversive training), he will break.

However, it is never too late to start. But be prepared not to get what this dog would deserve...

All the best.

Petros,

Thank you for your honestly. I am not  the person in the video...that person is the daughter of the lady that I bought this dog from. She has owned him since he was a small puppy. I just got him a few days ago.

Anyone else? I appreciate any input, good or bad. Please be very honest.

Nice looking male.  I assume you want straighforward opinions here so don't overreact.  Dog is steep in the croup and does't move free in back (rump-rolls slightly in back).   Could be helped perhaps with proper conditioning, long run of 60 feet on deep pea rock perhaps.  Will move okay on tight lead but will not on loose lead unless he develops better.  Front is somewhat east west and reach is not completely smooth.  Dog could improve with age somewhat.  Nice pigmnet coat, good proportions.  Seems slightly cowhocked at times.  Overall a very attrarctive withsome issues.

Thank you Preston. I value your opinion highly and appreciate your honesty. Do you believe this dog will widen through the body? At this time, he seems extremely narrow to me, espcially in the front. Maybe I am just used to working lines who seem to mature more quickly, but my ten month old Karat's Ulko daughter is wider between the front legs than this male...

Very nice dog ,small falts , most important  friendly, ball drive will change  better with  good trainer. Most important he can focus!!!   You need a good trainer . Enjoy your dog.

I actually think he is nice.  Not perfect...but which of us own the perfect dog?  You've chosen a trainer who can bring out his best, although I agree that it is a late start for the dog.  However, perhaps he had some foundation work done that will pay off.

Use your experience with him as a way to 'learn the ropes' around the SV show world, soak it all up and put that knowledge to work in the future.

Best of luck with him!