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by VERCHIEL on 16 July 2008 - 22:07
http://www.pedigreedatabase.com/gsd/pedigree/535437.html
that dog - was sold to the owner by me- with a minor adoption fee- $250.00 per dog) as he was going to train them for police work.
** also in our contract i was to recieve up to 2 pups from either dogs liter when they were proven.
( for the same anmount $250.00 each.)
the dog is not fully paid for - ( imagine that ) and teh final payment made on this dog was reversed ( via paypal ) from thebuyer. - so in fact he paid me & then took teh money BACK,
- and dog was never ofa'ed ( not hips OR elbows) as well as he starting having his joints popping in his feet or legs - ( unknown why) but teh owner was "concerned " but lacked funds to find out what was wrong with the dogs joints.
while in my care I never noticed anything wrong with the dogs joints OR any popping sounds.
The owner bred te dog to a 2 yr old female ( also not ofa'ed) and is selling pups for $1200.00
a few questions ...
since i was not paid in full for the dog- do i have any legal recourse?
now teh dog has a litter - do i have recourse to buy teh pup(s) as contracted , as teh owner neglected to TELL me there was a litter- and - i only found out via hoobly ad ...
2- how did he change the dogs name? ?? the akc papers have the same NUMBER but the name is NOT the dogs REGISTERED name. teh dog was registered BY teh breeder with thebreeders NAME :
the dog was known as "BOB VOM KLOAKENWASSER" ON his AKC registration.
I thought once a dog was registered - there was NO changing that name? is that incorrect?
any thoughs OR ideas what I can do ?
Thank you for any advise.
by VERCHIEL on 16 July 2008 - 22:07
PLEASE !! ? any suggestions OR advise ?
Thank you!!
by matthews3662 on 16 July 2008 - 23:07
If you have pictures of dog. If dog has any tatoo that you have documented with vet.
You could try taking him to civil court with paperwork on how they reversed the paypal payment.
As far as AKC I don't know if he can change the name. With SV I don't believe you can.
Good luck sounds like real trouble.
by vonissk on 16 July 2008 - 23:07
Akc has changed their ruling on name changes. As long as the dog has no points in any of their competitions or has never beed bred their name can be changed.
by VKH on 17 July 2008 - 00:07
The name of an AKC registered dog may be changed provided the dog was whelped in the United States.
Further, in cases where the litter owner(s) first individually registered the dog, the litter owner(s) written consent shall be required. A dog name containing a Registered Kennel Name cannot be changed without the written consent of the owner(s) of that Registered Kennel Name. However, no change in name will be recorded by the American Kennel Club after the dog has produced or sired an AKC registered litter or has received an award at an AKC-licensed or member event. Any name change must comply with all AKC requirements.
I think the Pups are being advertised on this site (DDR Pups)
by Ryanhaus on 17 July 2008 - 01:07
PLEASE LEARN HOW TO SPELL THE.......................
You can do nothing, but learn a lesson,
Thank you for helping me learn also,
I'm sorry, but you need to count your losses and move on,
people ask me--------------------WHY LIMITED REGISTRATION
GEE I HAVEN'T A CLUE
OH, and the name change..........................................WHITEOUT..............................
by MI_GSD on 17 July 2008 - 01:07
So is it Bob or Bero Jennifer?
I would love to share with the people of this database the PM's that went back between myself and his breeder when you had him up for sale. I know you run a "rescue" and that you told the breeder that the owners gave the dog to you. You than turn around and "adopt" him out, unneutered and asking for 2 pups back? Excuse me while I have no pity that you got screwed. I have watched you over the years go through dog after dog. This takes the cake.
by animules on 17 July 2008 - 13:07
MI GSD,
I have to admit I was wondering about a $250 "adoption" fee of a male with puppies coming back....... Thanks for bringing it up.
by VERCHIEL on 17 July 2008 - 20:07
thanks for the advice, from the decent folks here .
- T racy , I never had a beef with you , NOR did i think you had one with me. so your passive aggressive comments are rather un called for - ( i have seen many of your posts here & noticed the newbies you pick on & teh regulars that you kiss ass all over- no wonder people re afrid to post heer ! i have seen nasty comments & attack after attck. i posted in desperation.
**And then i get grief over typo's ( sorry that my spelling of THE is usually a typo of TEH. Its a common typo i make - deal with it. - did it make it VERY sp HARD for you to read or understand, that you went blind? If so i am sure tracy here will sell you a seeing eye dog.
FURTHERMORE TRACY, - you have not seen me "go through dog after dog"
** unless you count the hundreds of dogs, cats & other pets , i rescued from high kill pounds & adopted out?)
if you have seen me go THROUGH "dog after dog" please feel free to list them, and what ever i did that YOU consider not proper. any dogs i bought or acquired that couldn't cut the work i needed them to do were rehomed - like you did with rio- only i seem to be a bit more picky WHO gets the dog.
and ALL were altered except these 2 for a REASON... explained below...
**Should we start with you telling me due to RIO's lack of socialization & severe animal aggression, that if she couldnt live in a home that was doing active rescue ; you wanted her back - and when that day came, after she was killing dogs cats anything she could get a hold of- you refused to take her back? how many times did i call you for help advise OR finally to take her back as you promised ( seems your not one for sticking to your word as you NEVER took her back & stopped all communications with me) She actually jumped OUT of my UPSTAIRS window on to the roof and ran the roof jumped into the neighbors fenced yard & killed their husky! any clue what fixing that mess cost me?
* IN fact why not tell about who you sold RIO TO? the guy that kept that poor young GSD in a 6x6X4 outdoor pen from the day he GOT her with NO socialization, NO love affection , no exercise- she had NO muscle tone when i got her at all - her coat was a disaster , her nails were so over grown, and she got to watch him play with his grandkids & his HOUSE DOG daily in that yard - RIO was YOUR dog & yu sold her to a man that RUINED her. - SO at LEAST I made sure the dogs I gave up were going to be SAFE - even if the dude is screwing me over for money- he TAKES care of the dogs & they get the exercise & training reqquired for there needs.
You used to do rescue, did you even CHECK out what that man had planed for poor RIO??
well i a
by VERCHIEL on 17 July 2008 - 22:07
seems my post was cut off?
point i s - these dogs were IN teh car on teh way to teh pound - i told teh owners to bringthem to me & i would temp test them to try to KEEP them out of teh pound- they wouldnt have shown well ether & most liked died there .
they were LEGALLY SURRENDERED TO ME IN WRITING.
do you need to see teh surrender form? teh breeder was pissed he didnt get them back- teh owners claim they tried to reach him several times & got no reply, who is lying? dunno dont care.
I tried at FIRST to adopt them intraditional rescue fashion, they were too wild too hyper too hard & far too much prey drive for ANYONE that camme to see them, they needed a JOB, TRAINING & a working home with an owner that was VERY experienced - which they GOT>
after i took them in I closed - i was gOING to home ONE & keep teh other - teh one i tried to home ATE teh ladys HOUSE & was returned - and i am still paying her co pay on teh damage done by Bear to here home , furniture walls - teh 3 crates he busted out of & destroyed ...
anyway - i had teh dogs ( in play) both jump me tearing my rotor cuf in my right arm- i am right handed.
i had to find them a home STAT
teh WORKING dog PPL that wanted them - didnt want them ALTERED
so i could have neutered them- and they woudl have never gotten a decent WORKING HOME ( how many neutered dogs do YOU buy or adopt tracy?)
- esp at that age??
The man that bought them - sold bear to teh training facility he works for - and BEAR is now in training as a duel purpose police K9 and doin g very well- this man also got attached to viggo ( as did I ) even though bear was "physically " teh better standard of teh 2. Viggo had a great personality.
* point is BOTH dogs are working , getting attention , love TRAINING & will have a LIFE & a JOB.
i am just pissed about him backing out on teh final payment.
* which was paid today as soon as my attorney sent him a letter yesterday.
again
you BOUGHT RIO- sold her to a SADIST that kep her in LIVINGHELL>
and didnt care less. you sure didnt take hger back from HIM - OR me.
( not that you care but she has a GREAT home - after a LOT of behavioral worrk i did and a few trainers friendss helped me with.
she is LOVED a house dog - and i get to visit her often as teh owner wanted me to be able to stay in touch with RIO sh eKNEW i loved that dog.
THEY do not have other pets & we taught them how to control her on leash around animals , and they have a huge 8 ft privacy fence & sheis never out unattended.
just in case you cared..
so
INthis instance ...
should i have -
euthed teh dogs?
put them in a shelter?
adopted them to soem moron that didnt have a CLUIE what teh dogs NEEDS were ?
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