What are my girls physical flaws and strengths - Page 10

Huh??

Ok Frank,

1: Why do you refer to your self in 3rd person, i.e. "Paranshep counters, or Paranshep queries?"  Just say your Frank Tate.

2: "Paranshep responds back with can you prove you ever went to mine, I mean his house?"  Well, how would you like to me to prove it Frank.  Hmmm, it was around November, 1994.  My 10 year old GSD female, a daughter of Di Herzogins J J (sp) had recently died from bloat.  I was interested in getting a male GSD, I was also beginning to look into Schutzhund and places to train on Long Island. I knew little about it and was starting to research it and GSD's.  I saw your ad and went to your house with my wife to look for a male puppy.  Here are some details for you, you were laying on your couch and could barely get up because your knees were bandaged.  You showed us a room with lots of ribbons and trophy's from showing your dogs.  You had a small shrine to yourself set up to show potential puppy buyers, I was in sales so it was rather transparent to me.  We then went into your kitchen where you brought out 3 or 4 pups.  You kept pointing to one saying he was show quality and you weren't sure if you would sell him, but he was more expensive.  I remember seeing a dry erase board on your kitchen wall with the names and numbers of other potential puppy buyers.  I told you I wanted to think about the puppy and wasn't interested right now.  You responded with:  I sense some hesitancy is there a reason your not going to buy a puppy?  I told you I needed to do more research.  Your house was in Huntington, off Dix Hills Road if I remember correctly or near Dix Hills.  It has been almost 14 years.  I did buy a puppy from a different breeder and actually joined the Greater Suffolk GSDC which you were a member of.  So I met you there a couple of times,  I have no feelings for you one way or the other.  I was happy that my gut instinct told me not to buy a puppy from you.

3: Now, for the rest of my facts.  I am friends with Ronny Burmer and watched both him and his poor dog suffer with it's health issues.  I have no respect for anyone who breeds puppies without x-raying their breed stock, titling or doing anything to improve the breed.  If the dog can run around an AKC ring and not bite the judge then Frank has another champion.  At the time I was involved with the AKC club I also joined a schH club.  To me the difference was night and day.  I quickly quit the AKC club.  Oh and the male I did purchase, who was a sound healthy working dog came from German lines.  Besides Ronny, I have met other people with dyspalstic puppies from your breeding being in the GSD community.  If I wanted an American dog I would have gone to Al Stone over you any day.  I did visit his kennel and was more impressed with his dogs than yours.  He didn't have a show room with all of his ribbons to impress people, he really didn't care.  He had more trophies and ribbons in boxes than you will ever have.  When I learned about the differences in breeding requirements between American AKC GSD's and German SV lines I was hooked on the European GSD's.  My current male is based on Czech breeding.  Sorry, if I offend any American GSD breeders it is not my intent.

4:  As far as Frank being rude, he wasn't ( you weren't).  Remember he was trying to sell his commodity.

5 Ok, it's hard to keep up with all of your threads (it reminds me of the Unibomber's manifesto), you asked us for accomplishments.  Mine are humble.  I got my first GSD in 1984, wonderful dog.  Got my second, a male, in 1994 as stated earlier.  Titled him from a pup to SchH 3, In USA's SchH 3 club since 19

4 pack:  "Are you still going to pretend not to be Phoenix GSD's? After reading this above link page to the bottom, any idiot would have to put 2 and 2 together. Hows it hangin' Frank? You sure like to talk law don't you? Anyone posting 10 times in a row is really making an effort. If we are beneath you, why bother?"

Paranshep:  I  have been accused of being many things, but I refuse to admit to unprovable accusations..  I never knew why Frank didn't  bring out the "truth" of his case.  He chose not to.  I on the other hand, over 10 years after the case was over chose to do so.  I brought out pertinant facts from the judges written and published decision.  No lies or innuendo, "Just the facts, Ma'am   I like Frank, I like his straight forward non snesense way of "telling it like it is".

By the way, Franks business is now a NY state Corporation.  It's one thing trashing a man's personal business and another using libel and slander to demean a corporation.  It took a great deal of work to get the details of the truth  from the New York Law Journal, something no one else bothered to do.  Now if anyone wishes to counter with a lie, I do hope Frank goes after them in court. 

This kind of crap hurts everyone. I believe someone responded  about the OFA making comments about the German Sv's hips.  NOw, The SV doesn't recognize OFA's hips and OFA doesn't recognize theirs.  I haven't much use for the OFA's method of reporting.  If anyone sends in a dogs hips and they fail, the OFA won't report them as having failed.  In Germany, the SV requires all hips be reported that are sent in.  lets just present the facts as they exist. 

Blitzen, or should I say Sue Shiflett from the Gettysburg Pa area.  The information I dug up on you was about what I expected..  You seem to have had trouble with most well known breeders.  In this world there are those that try to improve on what they have and do.  They are the "wanna be's".  I admire them. 

Then there are those like Frank, who are past 70 years old and in his case dying of Cancer.  I've heard him called, "a has been".  Nevertheless, his record does show accomplishment.  

Your record, on the other hand is that of a "never will be", because you never climb off your sofa to accomplish anytrhing.  You like to hide behind your "anonymous" internet name thinking it gives you the right to criticize any you don't like.    Let people judge for themselves these facts.  When offering advice, have something to back  up your opinions, they will have more credibility.  Your like a pesky mosquito, you need to be sprayed.

Ron Paul live in 15 minutes  :o)~    http://www.infowars.com/audiobox.html

The jig is  up.......that's me all right. Never did anything at all with dogs in my entire lifetime. I'm here just to harass you and all the other GSD breeders who have sold unsuspecting people sick and crippled dogs who only live half as long as they should.

When the famous abolitionist, Sojurner Truth, was arrested, the judge told her, "Woman, you bother me no more than a mosquito!"

"That may be so," Truth replied, "but praise God, I'll keep you scratching!"

Go for it, Blitzen! 

Slamdunc writes,   "3: Now, for the rest of my facts.  I am friends with Ronny Burmer and watched both him and his poor dog suffer with it's health issues.  I have no respect for anyone who breeds puppies without x-raying their breed stock, titling or doing anything to improve the breed."

Paranshep: Please don't hold up a proven liar to me as an icon.  Ronnie also had problems with other breeders before Frank.   Oh, proven liar, He sued Frank on the basis that the parents of his dog were not certified.  They were and Frank provided the court with papers to prove it.  Mr Burmer chose to hang his hat on something the judge wrote in her decision, from which I will quote again.  Keep in mind this was the case regarding the five(5) dogs, not Ronnies fiasco.  "Some of the dogs owned by the Tate's are OFA certified, but in none of the cases were all the parents certified."

Definition oif a proven liar, Ronnie was the plaintiff, the accuser for the non initiated in legal terminology.  He presented his evidence first.  Other than the fact that once his "expert witness" an unemployed Veterinarian, gave obvious false testimony, the jury didnt believe him.  Then when Frank proved that both his parents had AKC papers showing they were both OFA good, it blew his case to shreds.  Oh, please don't try to indicate Ronnies dog had any problems other than his hips.  Thats all he chose to bring up in court and therefore remain the "facts" of the case".  Six (6) jurors didnt believe him.

This is the most important reason I have brought this up.  Being accused of something, no matter how black and wide the paintbrush may appear to be, fight it.  While some states require you to guarantee a dogs health up to 6 months, few others practically do not.  Buy a dog from Germany, puppy or adult and your "guarantee" exists to the end of the driveway.  No one can really guarantee the health of your dog anymore than they can their children.

Sunsilver, he knows Dylan's breeder. If he thinks I'm a pest now just wait til I put all of that dog's information on the Breed Betterment Board. I'll be worse than just a pest then. The truth hurts it seems.

Blitzen writes, The jig is  up.......that's me all right. Never did anything at all with dogs in my entire lifetime. I'm here just to harass you and all the other GSD breeders who have sold unsuspecting people sick and crippled dogs who only live half as long as they should.

Paranshep writes, Perhaps you might try breeding yourself.  No breeder knows or can know when selling a puppy at 6 -12 weeks of age if the dog will develop a health problem.  Easy to criticize the works of others yet never attempting to do it  your self.  In my books your "confession" says it all.  OFA claims that even when both parents are certrified, there is still a 9% chance of the puppies getting hip dyplasia.   Besides, OFA even now admits feeding poor nutritionous food, running a puppy up and down stairs, or even jogging with them before 6 months of age could lead to CHD.  Why should a breeder be responsible to an irresponsible owner.

Something I learned in the automobile business years ago, "Buyers are Liars!"  People with the poorest credit go to auto dealers and clasim they have good credit.  They want to drive around in their cars wasting gas etc.  Now before a dealer lets you drive, they make a copy of your drivers license.  While your outside with the salesman, they are looking up your credit.  The credit manager then signals the salesman whether you are good or not.  Get a thumbs down and there goes that test drive.

Anyhow, as long as the rest of this list recognizes your self admitted desire to be a mosquito, I've accomplished what i set out to prove.  Your opinions are uselesss.