Breed Improvement Suggestions for the UK GSD Breed Council - Page 4

No one as mentioned eye testing probably because as far as I am aware the KC were going to remove this in the early 90's, then I had a dog born in 1992 linebred to Tarquin of Dawnway and Spartacist of Hendrawen who inturn are both gr sons of Vondaun Ulric of Dawnway on the female line, he had HC, I dont know of any others born since unless you know different.

Is anyone on this forum part of the UK GSD Breed Council?  If so can/will they take the content of this thread to a meeting??  If no one responds I will print them off and post them to the breed council.

my understanding of how the breed council works is it is the breed clubs who put an item on the agenda if that item has a seconder then it will be discussed then voted on so it is up to all members of their respective clubs to make sure that  all the above are put forward for agenda so you must tell your rep what it is that you want to achieve and how as a club you want to vote.

jim h

Any letter or letters written to the BC can be introduced as AOB at any meeting. 

Thanks missbeeb - the local club is predominantly English lines and we are not appreciated!

I will state again and for the last time that you are a MINORITY where GSD breeders are concerned,your few little numbers will mean nothing to the KC

For David Payne let me state quite clearly that what we breed are top class German Showline dogs,all are hipscored well below the breed average(the highest being 12 and the lowest being 5) all are haemophilia tested and all are breed surveyed class 1, more importantly we can let out all our dogs when people visit and their TEMPERAMENTS ARE A1

You are missing the point at what i am trying to make

The breeder of english lines(so help us) and Joe public ,dont give two hoots about what responsible breeders are trying to achieve,and so help us they are the vast majority(like it or lump it) and for all the good will in the world the KC will not alter their policy becaued they are the vast majority

Why not make it simple and simply go for this

Anything  from parents hipscored above breed average will not be registered with the KC, may not be the ideal but it is a start and since it is one of their schemes may have an advantage.Dont try to run before you can walk,you will only go arse up

Peggy - you are missing the point.

The suggestions on this thread, are to improve the breeders charter within the breed council.  It is only when as a breed we can stand up and say that we are making improvements that we can then go to the KC and get them to take notice.

As for the Joe Public - many of them to understand about breed health issues and want them improved.  The programme the other night only highlighted issues within pedigree dogs and hopefully will increase the number of people who ask questions before puchasing a puppy.

If we as a breed can make improvements it can only benefit the breed.  As for your statement "Anything hipscored above breed average will not be registered with the KC, may not be the ideal but it is a start and since it is one of their schemes may have an advantage.Dont try to run before you can walk,you will only go arse up"   Talk about negatively and lack of understanding.  All puppies are registered as babies, and hipscoring is only done later.  What needs to be done is for all good breeders to endorse their progeny so that unless the health checks prove the dog fit then future progeny cannot be registered.  However you only have to look on the internet to see how many dogs out there are already un registered and still fetching good money, so this is not a total answer. 

You mention that you produce good quality show lines but there are many out there who have working or english type  who do undertake breed tests but dont fit within your world.  Lets get people all using the same guidelines and working together no matter what type of GSD they breed. 

No No No beepy

you are missing the point

what i am saying is do not register anyting fom parents that are hipscored above breed average.

As for contracts,we make out contracts for all our puppies,all our puppies are endorsed and WILL NOT be lifted unless hips are below breed average,haemophia is clear and bitches are older than 2 years,added to that we feel owners are responsible to breed a litter

Listen we could not be more responsible as breeders,we check people out the best we can and quite often turn people away,anyone who decides for whatever reason cannot cope(although i have to say has never happened yet) we will take back those puppis or adults

So dont give me a lecture on resposible breeding( we have got the tee shirt)

You are still missing the point i am trying to make!!

Do you really think  that the Alsationists will go as far as breed surveys

come on get a grip(they wont pass) and if they have a champion which quite a lot have they simlply wont go there

you need to be realistic about this and come to a compromise that will involve everyone for the good of the breed.

I am not trying to be objective or argumentative just realistic and i think you need to be the same

Peggy: I can read what you write, but you are anonymous, so you clearly have something to hide?? Perhaps its the truth about your dogs and your breeding practices!

Peggy - Im not going to try and persuade you.  I know some of those with English lines and they are doing screening and wanting to improve their type of the breed, they will never want the German lines but want to do the best they can for their side of the breed.

You say the Alsationists wont pass - well all there has to be is breed surveyors for that type and of course they will pass if they meet the criteria.  After all the survey doesnt state type!

This is something that whatever type of GSD is bred could be achieved with the right adjustments.  It is time the inter breed bickering stopped and we worked as a whole to better the breed, after all when something goes wrong the public doesnt say - oh look that is a Germanic German shepherd or that bad one was a English, DDR etc.

Its people like you who stop things from moving onwards, because you say it cant work and that is it.  No looking at what can be done to make it work, encouraging change and helping to shape the future.  We cannot afford to stand still, we need to be a breed that can stand proud and say we saw a problem and have worked to change it.  Lets not stick our head in the sand and be like the cavalier breeders who know they have a massive problem but will not face reality and deal with it.