Universal Sieger---Again/ Best Wishes to Karen & Ule - Page 9

Dee,

But you pay the expense yourself to train the dog yourself.  If you travel to a good club, not just any club, to work, plus travel to various club trials to get the BH, AD, SCH1-3, show rating and breed survey, it is not chump change.  It does add up.  Believe me, we do track expenses and all our dogs are HOT dogs.  So we know the cost of training ouselves and traveling for events, from local to the WUSV/FCI.  That is also why I was asking about the amount that was posted of about $8,000 for the two events. And we know people that do handle for owners - so we know that expense.  

If you do pay someone else after the dog is titled/shown/koered, the dog must be boarded, plus the bonding time, plus the additional fees for training/bonding (if the dog is competition, show ready = more if not).  That to me is where the additional cost is - transferring to another handler.

Yes, but if the dog is already a SchH3, seriously, other than polish, what does the dog truly need, especially if it has already been given a rating at the most recent SS and declared for universal. Unless it is a dog who isn't properly trained to begin with.

I just find it rather amusing that handler owner trainers of working line dogs don't have all these "extra expenses"  and they don't have to get their dogs ready. Their dogs are ready. Just like with those handler owner trainers of show line dogs who do the work themselves.

Dee,

Good point. "Unless it is a dog who isn't properly trained to begin with."

But, I would not minimize the time and expense that a HOT handler does to get from a green dog to a SCH3, koer'd dog to one that is sent out for titling, showing.  Why is it amusing? I am sure a lot of people that do HOT dogs (no matter what line) could show that it does take them time and $$.   There was a great article by Pedro on what he did to focus on for the Sieger show and the Nationals - and he just touched on all the work.  To get ready for any National event is not just tuning up.

I think it is commendable of the people that are going (not seperating working and show) that have trained and titled/handled the dogs themselves for Universal Sieger.

A professional trainer will have a set up that is much more time efficient (one would think - the ones that we know do) as in own/close club, helper, experience.

Karen & Ule finished the regionals with a 271 & third place. Not bad for a dog who has trialed 3 straight days.

Karen & Ule will be home tomorrow take a couple days off & back to training for the USA Nationals. There is still plenty of work & road ahead.

We have hope, it isn't over until its over. Karen & Ule are making us proud.

U Go Girl's

Congratulations!!!!!!!! That is outstanding!

CONGRATS!!!!!!!

 We "officially" have a horse race this year for the Universal Sieger Title:

Karen & Ule

Ravi & Juneau

Ted and Zar

Now, where is that grey dog.... 

From what I heard at the North Central Regionals--Ule is one fantastic tracking dog  98 on one day and then 100 WOW!  Fantastic team

RaMAGSD,

It just goes to show what can happen when one bothers to actually TRAIN a showline dog so that it can perform to its full potential.  Ule was rasied, trained and titled to Sch 1 by Raino Fluegge (SV/Canadian judge), who had 90 acres of his own to track in every day.   He has done the same with other show line dogs, Laius v Moorbeck, who twice went to the WUSV Championship and acquited himself well, being another example.  When the show line dogs are raised and trained like working dogs their working abilities are developed.   When thos abilities are neglected.... well.    If you have a person with the greatest athletic and dance potential  in the world, and it is NOT developed from a young age, it does not matter that everyone can see that the 25 yo in front of them could have been the greatest ballet dancer since Nureyev--the talent simply gets wasted, because you can't take a 25 yo with no dance background and make him into Nureyev.   Ditto a show line dog that was shipped off "somewhere" for a "mystery title" at a "Midnight Trial" who comes back a titular Sch 3, and is thereafter just trotted around a show ring.    You might be able to see the potential there, but if the dog is already 4 or 5, it is probably too late for it to ever show what it can really do.  All you can do is set it up for failure...and disdain.

Thankfully, Ule,  Juneau and Zar ended up in hands with the committment to let the dogs shine.