BEST IN PROTECTION? - Page 3

Sue, I picked Urban becuse I liked the way he works and structurally what he is producing in his pups. Urban is only 3.5 years old if I'm not mistaken, so much of his progenty is still at a year and under. I was able to see a few pups of his and I was very impressed with the character and puppy work with them. That is why I said I am very anxious to see how his progeny begin to develop in their more mature years. Honestly, no one is ever going to see too many show dogs compete on the working field, much less a lot of their progeny. Laius vom Moorbeck was a joy to watch and he competed Interantionally if I'm not mistaken. Why are there not more dogs out there like him? So did Gucci, didn't he? A few years back, I remember seeing a VA-rated Pitt son compete at the WDA Nationals, although his name escapes me. His obedience was very nice, and his bitework was solid, but I did not see his tracking. He ended up in the middle of the placings. It was nice to see a strong show dog there. It would be nicer to see more of them.

"Honestly, no one is ever going to see too many show dogs compete on the working field, much less a lot of their progeny." That is why I asked how the dogs are rated. It is difficult to judge the ability of the dogs on a level field if the circumstances are not level/testing the dog. And if the dogs has, such as Laius (I saw him both in Steyr and Ravenna), what has that dog produced and in combonation with what dam (and I know it depends on the dam as well - that is a given)? Urban is young, so wait to see how he produces. But what about the others mentioned? And how do you rate what they produce form a working aspect? And why I mentioned Xasko, because I have been able to see him at trials and shows. Not based on a training session or Sieger show bitework , but a full on routine. Dog1, thanks for the note on Jaguar.

Hi Sue, I have used Indo v Geesthugel twice. From the first litter I have a male who was just certified as dual purpose K9 (drug/patrol), a female in the process of being Sch titled, another male in a DVG club in CO excelling in Schutzhund. From the 2nd litter, a female in an explosives detection program in NY, a female who will be titled in FL, a female I kept to title. They're still quite young, but they'll be on the field soon. As with any stud dog, the female plays a role in the outcome as well, as does how the pups are placed. Police K9's and others in real working situations don't generally show up for the progeny groups or in the show ring to credit their sires. My vote goes to Indo as a reliable producer of very good temperament and drive for the work. Those who are only interested on breeding to "VA" males miss a lot when they ignore the high V rated dogs. I watch every dog in the protection phase and choose my stud dogs from the best performances among those, then depending on how the pedigrees line up with my females, make my choices (regardless of where they end up in the show ring). Kerry Torberg is another excellent dog in the work. Uno vh Babilon (also of vom Haus Stronje) is a nice working dog (my litter out of him is only 3 months old, but the drives look good so far), I agree with others about Jaguar as excellent in the work (but I have no firsthand knowledge of offspring as yet), Ajay Singh mentioned a dog on another thread that works well and I would trust his opinion (I'll be looking into that dog for future breeding), and there are others...you just have to look beyond the show rating to find the best work.