HOLY LINEBREEDING, BATMAN! - Page 5

Jeff, I think we all have a feeling, that you shouldn't breed.

Here is an example, by a breeder that knows the lines that he is dealing with better than most.

http://www.bloedlijnen.nl/stamboom.php?ID=3456 

Quote: Jeff, I think we all have a feeling, that you shouldn't breed

 What is your experience with breeding???

Truthfully?  Nothing for almost 12 years now.  I've line bred to a much lesser degree  4-4 4-5 5-5, nothing closer, ever!  Why would we need to?

There are so many lines (good lines) available, and so much progeny from those lines that we can see, it renders the need for what you advocate null & void. IMO.

lets not forget the previous posts by this guy...........

http://www.pedigreedatabase.com/gsd/bulletins_read/154764.html#155141 

 Quote: Truthfully?  Nothing for almost 12 years now.  I've line bred to a much lesser degree  4-4 4-5 5-5, nothing closer, ever!  Why would we need to?

There are so many lines (good lines) available, and so much progeny from those lines that we can see, it renders the need for what you advocate null & void. IMO.

I have seen a general decline in the GSD for some time now. I see people dancing around the recessives that they know are there with an out cross here and there. A few years back, the only people that had their own lines, sorta, where show people. I could not find ( note "I" ) a breeder that wasn't always adding in some brand spanking fresh from whatever place in EU that is hot stud dog.

I have bred in the past, and since I am not now, I will give some basic examples of inbred, tightly line bred dogs that have proven themselves to be extremely hardy. Well, one really good one. THe game bred pit bull. Before you all jump up and down and cry, I do not breed pit bulls. However, no one can deny these dogs can take a lot of abuse, just watch animal planet and see how many of these dogs survive God knows what. they are within lines nearly phenotypically exact, in almost everything. Very strong genetically, with very few recessives.

I participate in Mondio ring, and most of the GSD's that I have seen participate are gonna be done at ring one. Why ??? This is a good breed, my fav, and people just cannot get that they are scatter breeding for the most part.

There is some work done by a Russian genetisist that I have been wanting to get and read. Unfortunately it is not in english........YET.

I have a friend who knows her and I have been trying to get a copy of her work. She is saying basically that 4-5 5-5 means nothing, and that these dogs have nothing to do with your puppy. She has proven this.  Before I used a stud for a line, I wanted to see what recessives were in there, so I did a father daughter mother son or sibling breeding to see what showed up. I bred enough to have had lines that extinguished themselves due to too many recessives. I have had other lines that had a few problems, but got better and better.

Somehow in this country, we anthromorphasize to the point of stupidity. I have heard of inbreeding refered to as rape and incest and all kinds of things human. If you breed this way, you are satan, if you breed that way, you are a puppy mill, if you have more than 4 dogs you are abusing them. Damn it gets old. AND it is from people that know just about fuck all about breeding. 2 litters a year is gonna teach you nothing about a line. Just how to whelp, and imprint and feed. WOW.

ANYWAY, LOL If I can get a copy of this work, I will post where I got it. I have a feeling that getting an english translation is gonna be a pain. There is spanish and German as well. Got to get a better brain, all I can remember is the ladies name starts with an M. Marion I think.

it is the people like jeff that give the gsd a bad name i just wish they would crawl back under what ever stone they came out of and leave the genuine gsd people to get on with the breed    i wonder if jeff has any kids and if so would he be happy for his son and daughter to start a family  because if he thinks its ok inbreed brother and sister in dogs it must be ok in humans also

jim h.

 Tiger mouse, I didn't see anything that scary. Nice fluffy dog you got there. Ever read what Max said about them ???

Jim, Nice showline. I blame you for the demise of this breed. Ever see a showline try and do the jumps in ringsport ???

Sorry to bust your fantasy party buddy, but they are an embarrassment. I have seen showlines with heart and drive get tripped up by that stupid looking angulation too many times. I have seen them get hung up on the pallisade by their hocks. Exactly the sickle hocks that your dog in your Avatar has.

Forgive me for not having my head up my ass, and having some experience in what I am talking about. If YOU did, you would not be argueing with me.

Sorry Jim, I was peeking under your rock. Sorry I turned it over.

I like this pic :)

Jeff, You're wrong IMO, besides we have a rather good geneticist ourselves in Dr Malcolm Willis, a man known world wide for his work... and it's already in English!

I don't know what Mondio ring is but I find your comparison to Pit Bulls bewildering... unless you want more problems in our breed???

I don't know anyone who wants to test random theories by ending up having to kill puppies...!!!  Best to do your homework first, Jeff!