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by ShelleyR on 22 February 2009 - 19:02
I posted my opinion of the so-called "TRAINING" in that video on the other thread.
If any of you ever catch me rewarding or applauding a titled adult dog for a crap frontal grip on a bite suit, or encouraging one to injure his teeth, back, neck, etc. with a ball strung over a tree limb, please kick ME in the head.
I'm still pissed 20 min. later. Time to go outside and try to get those images out of my mind...
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If any of you ever catch me rewarding or applauding a titled adult dog for a crap frontal grip on a bite suit, or encouraging one to injure his teeth, back, neck, etc. with a ball strung over a tree limb, please kick ME in the head.
I'm still pissed 20 min. later. Time to go outside and try to get those images out of my mind...
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by Sunsilver on 22 February 2009 - 21:02
"I watched as the decoy went for a pass at Tammy. She ran out like a bolt of lightning to jump him, growling, her teeth flying. Then, without warning, my two-year-old son came out of nowhere. He ran up and grabbed the dog.
It all happened so fast, there was nothing I could have done to stop it. There was no way a dog in that state of frenzy could be expected to do anything but bite Johnny to death. I had seen dogs worked up to such a pitch that they would even turn and bite their handlers if they got too close.
But this dog, Tammy, just stopped. She stopped in midair, to avoid hurting my baby. Instinctively, Tammy knew the difference between an enemy and a child, and she knew how to switch gears in a fraction of a second..."
From: The Shiloh Shepherd Story, by Tina Barber
Now, to me, THAT'S a real dog! 100% clear-headed, even when in full attack mode after the decoy. (And, yes, Tammy was a purebred GSD, from German lines. Click on her name to see her pedigree.)
It all happened so fast, there was nothing I could have done to stop it. There was no way a dog in that state of frenzy could be expected to do anything but bite Johnny to death. I had seen dogs worked up to such a pitch that they would even turn and bite their handlers if they got too close.
But this dog, Tammy, just stopped. She stopped in midair, to avoid hurting my baby. Instinctively, Tammy knew the difference between an enemy and a child, and she knew how to switch gears in a fraction of a second..."
From: The Shiloh Shepherd Story, by Tina Barber
Now, to me, THAT'S a real dog! 100% clear-headed, even when in full attack mode after the decoy. (And, yes, Tammy was a purebred GSD, from German lines. Click on her name to see her pedigree.)
by Bob McKown on 23 February 2009 - 00:02
Sunsilver:
I,ve got some wonderful swamp land to sell ya if you believe this story... and I,ll sell you a car that has never had anyone in the back seat and only driven to church on sundays by a little old lady.
Yes Tina Barber is a good salesmen thats undisputible.
by SitasMom on 23 February 2009 - 02:02
by Sunsilver on 23 February 2009 - 02:02
So, are you saying, Bob, that there AREN'T dogs out there that are capable of making this sort of split-second decision?
Or is it just because it's TINA'S dog?
And if you had small kids, as Tina did at the time, which dog would YOU be wanting in your kennel or home?
BTW, when an RCMP officer told me a trained police dog wouldn't be able to distinguish between a kid waving a toy gun or sword, and an adult waving the real thing, some people on the database told me he was full of crap!
So, who's right?
Or is it just because it's TINA'S dog?
And if you had small kids, as Tina did at the time, which dog would YOU be wanting in your kennel or home?
BTW, when an RCMP officer told me a trained police dog wouldn't be able to distinguish between a kid waving a toy gun or sword, and an adult waving the real thing, some people on the database told me he was full of crap!
So, who's right?
by sueincc on 23 February 2009 - 06:02
Sunsilver: The story doesn't pass the smell test.
"I watched as the decoy went for a pass at Tammy. She ran out like a bolt of lightning to jump him, growling, her teeth flying. Then, without warning, my two-year-old son came out of nowhere. He ran up and grabbed the dog.
Okay first, how the hell does a TWO year old TODDLER run up out of "nowhere" in a place where dogs are doing bite work??? Who leaves their babies unsupervised while dogs are doing bite work? Plus how could you NOT see a TODDLER coming out on the field??? It's not like they can run or even toddle quickly! Also what does "the decoy went for a pass at Tammy' mean? It sounds like the dog was on a line anyway.
It all happened so fast, there was nothing I could have done to stop it. There was no way a dog in that state of frenzy could be expected to do anything but bite Johnny to death. I had seen dogs worked up to such a pitch that they would even turn and bite their handlers if they got too close.
FRENZY??? What Frenzy??? Why in the world would she think the dog would bite her kid when it's got the helper??? See, when a dog is GRIPPING the sleeve, HOLDING the decoy, handlers as a matter of course come up to their dogs, encourage them, slap them on their sides, pet them on their heads, even hold them under the chin (making dead prey) and also walk around them and the helper. If on the off chance a dog redirects to his handler he gets nailed.
But this dog, Tammy, just stopped. She stopped in midair, to avoid hurting my baby. Instinctively, Tammy knew the difference between an enemy and a child, and she knew how to switch gears in a fraction of a second..."
Now this part really got me. She stopped in............MID AIR?????? Come ON! This is just a fairy tale for selling dogs
From: The Shiloh Shepherd Story, by Tina Barber
Now, to me, THAT'S a real dog! 100% clear-headed, even when in full attack mode after the decoy. (And, yes, Tammy was a purebred GSD, from German lines. Click on her name to see her pedigree.)
"I watched as the decoy went for a pass at Tammy. She ran out like a bolt of lightning to jump him, growling, her teeth flying. Then, without warning, my two-year-old son came out of nowhere. He ran up and grabbed the dog.
Okay first, how the hell does a TWO year old TODDLER run up out of "nowhere" in a place where dogs are doing bite work??? Who leaves their babies unsupervised while dogs are doing bite work? Plus how could you NOT see a TODDLER coming out on the field??? It's not like they can run or even toddle quickly! Also what does "the decoy went for a pass at Tammy' mean? It sounds like the dog was on a line anyway.
It all happened so fast, there was nothing I could have done to stop it. There was no way a dog in that state of frenzy could be expected to do anything but bite Johnny to death. I had seen dogs worked up to such a pitch that they would even turn and bite their handlers if they got too close.
FRENZY??? What Frenzy??? Why in the world would she think the dog would bite her kid when it's got the helper??? See, when a dog is GRIPPING the sleeve, HOLDING the decoy, handlers as a matter of course come up to their dogs, encourage them, slap them on their sides, pet them on their heads, even hold them under the chin (making dead prey) and also walk around them and the helper. If on the off chance a dog redirects to his handler he gets nailed.
But this dog, Tammy, just stopped. She stopped in midair, to avoid hurting my baby. Instinctively, Tammy knew the difference between an enemy and a child, and she knew how to switch gears in a fraction of a second..."
Now this part really got me. She stopped in............MID AIR?????? Come ON! This is just a fairy tale for selling dogs
From: The Shiloh Shepherd Story, by Tina Barber
Now, to me, THAT'S a real dog! 100% clear-headed, even when in full attack mode after the decoy. (And, yes, Tammy was a purebred GSD, from German lines. Click on her name to see her pedigree.)
by hexe on 23 February 2009 - 06:02
Quote from Sunsilver:
But this dog, Tammy, just stopped. She stopped in midair, to avoid hurting my baby. Instinctively, Tammy knew the difference between an enemy and a child, and she knew how to switch gears in a fraction of a second..."
...and there she still hangs, in midair, and they all lived happily ever after. The End.
A bit too much poetic license has been applied to this tale.
But this dog, Tammy, just stopped. She stopped in midair, to avoid hurting my baby. Instinctively, Tammy knew the difference between an enemy and a child, and she knew how to switch gears in a fraction of a second..."
...and there she still hangs, in midair, and they all lived happily ever after. The End.
A bit too much poetic license has been applied to this tale.
by Marisa on 23 February 2009 - 06:02
Loyalty, personality, intelligence. A strong, healthy, stable mind...not a bundle of aimless aggression or a walking exposed nerve. I think the qualities that make you say "Now that's a dog" vary from one person to the next. I have my dream dog right now. He's a two-year-old GSD that I got by a stroke of luck. I can't even say how much I adore this dog. He has all the qualities I value. He's smart, loyal, attentive, affectionate, intense, playful, protective, steady, tolerant, obedient... When my stepdad (who he isn't really familiar with) plays too rough with my son, he shoves his body in the middle and barks. On a late-night walk in our quiet suburban neighborhood, a man was hiding in the shadows outside the range of a streetlight, standing so still I didn't know he was there. He stepped out in front of me just as I would have walked by; my dog lunged forward a step and barked like a madman even though he's usually thrilled to meet strangers on our walks. The man scrambled away and we ran home. To me, he's a "real" dog.
Before him, I had two Great Danes that were outgoing, rambunctious, stubborn as all heck and definitely not the sharpest knives in the drawer. The male was terrified of plastic bags, packages, newspaper...anything that crinkled triggered absolute blind panic. Both were eternal puppies. One night years ago when we lived in an apartment (temporarily--our house was being built) I was sitting up reading, home alone. I heard someone walk quietly up the stairs. I assumed it was the neighbor until I heard scratching as this person tried to pick my lock. The Danes started barking like I'd never heard them bark before, slamming their bodies against the door. These two dogs that I would have expected to welcome an intruder with wagging tails totally surprised me and scared him off instead. Would I call them "real" dogs? No. As much as I loved them, I still can't look back and see them that way. But I think they demonstrated that even neurotic clowns can dig down and find it when they need to.
Before him, I had two Great Danes that were outgoing, rambunctious, stubborn as all heck and definitely not the sharpest knives in the drawer. The male was terrified of plastic bags, packages, newspaper...anything that crinkled triggered absolute blind panic. Both were eternal puppies. One night years ago when we lived in an apartment (temporarily--our house was being built) I was sitting up reading, home alone. I heard someone walk quietly up the stairs. I assumed it was the neighbor until I heard scratching as this person tried to pick my lock. The Danes started barking like I'd never heard them bark before, slamming their bodies against the door. These two dogs that I would have expected to welcome an intruder with wagging tails totally surprised me and scared him off instead. Would I call them "real" dogs? No. As much as I loved them, I still can't look back and see them that way. But I think they demonstrated that even neurotic clowns can dig down and find it when they need to.
by Bob McKown on 23 February 2009 - 12:02
Sunsilver:
There are dogs that can do amazing things and acts of compasion and Tina Barber is a good salesman that is also undisputed.
There are dogs that can do amazing things and acts of compasion and Tina Barber is a good salesman that is also undisputed.
by missbeeb on 23 February 2009 - 14:02
Oooh, ehhh... flying teeth and the ability to stop mid-air(?), sods law... you never have a camera when you need one!
C'mon, Sunsilver... once upon a time...there was, "The Shiloh Shepherd Story"!
I know there are dogs that can tell the difference, but really... really!
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