white dogs - Page 2

there is the american white shepherd association http://www.awsaclub.com/ the white shepherd should be considered a seperate breed from the German Shepherd as they are bred for a different purpose, and registered as thus.

I am curious as to how the panda shepherds came around. NAPSA is trying to map the genes but so far not much is known. Personally I find them unattractive but to each his own. They look like a cross between a Greater Swiss Mountain Dog and/or an Australian Shepherd or German Shepherd Dog to me. I do want to know how they mark their color on the registration papers as there is no option for that that I know of. I don't care if I get assaulted or not. I have a live and let live attitude that keeps pretty much everything from getting to me. Everyone has their own opinions and no matter where you go they'll be readily offered whether you ask for them or not. I don't intend to try to change anyone's opinion and they cannot change mine.

Despite the fact we, GSD breeders, dont recognize the White dogs as GSD, they got the same origin. They were discarted at the foundation of the breed, because at that time they were had as Albines, later it was discovered that many are just whites, not albines, they have black nose, good pigmentation at the mucoses, and nails. Horand had white dogs in his pedigree. The fact is that the evolution of the German Shepherd Dog during the last century was very big, and unfortunately the whites didnt follow that evolution, they became so diferent from each other that they cant even be considered the same breed! Separeted since the beguining they should find their way separeted! Whites are other breed! They do have their value, but not to the German Shepherd breed.

Honestly even owning one I do believe that it is time that they were fully pulled from GSD to White Shepherds. They are slight differences in the body and the judging of their pigment is different. There is alot less chance of having even a single pink spot on a black and tan while if a breeder doesn't pay close attention to the conformation of the dogs they will end up with a pink padded white. The female whites tend to have a more delicate head than the colored females. There is generally less slope of the back on a white. Whites really should be bred to whites and colors to colors to produce the correct body for their color. I'll probably be burned alive for this with some friends from white shepherd groups but it's just my thought on it.

stary_eyed_angel I'm not trying to rag on anyone personally but the whites don't have a place in the German Shepherd world. I do agree with you about the Panda Shepeherd, I don't know what that's all about.....stupidity in the making. Like the Shiloh Shepherds, they get an oversized loncoat genetic defect and breed it with an oversized longcoat genetic defect and create a registry and you have the Shiloh Shepherds. They are absolutly useless. Short life expectancy, genetic problems, bone problems, Nature is doing everything to rid this breed but the Shiloh Shepherds continue. And gsdgirl you say the whites were bred for a different purpose , WHAT? A Sentry dog for the winter that is trained to stay in a down position in the snow so they look like barbeque brikettes (blk Nose). Then they would be ultra stealthy. Uwe

The "Panda Shepherds" (or whatever you like to call them) are registered as "black and tan," according to the breeders. I agree, to each their own. I personally will stick with my black and tan/black & red dogs. If I bred a dog that throws white or "panda" coloring, I would definitely not repeat that breeding, and would try to isolate which dog was throwing that trait, then spay or neuter whichever was the culprit! This goes for HD in puppies, and other undesireable traits as well, just for reference.

Is that what they put that sable pup under too? You can see him at www.pandashepherds.com under the puppies page.