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Ah, yes, I do cull strongly for temperament, physical soundness and manbiting in my breed. This, too, does not set well with everyone.  Again, I don't expect it to, nor do I hide ANYTHING I do.  I'm proud of my work with the breed. By Abhajs support of Pat Patrick I take it that he/she supports this well known dog fighter and what he did? That would explain the "hating"; as I explained, dog fighter wannabes HATE ME! Of that I am proud!   I do not support Pat Patrick and what he did, but that had nothing to do with my flying down to TRY and save some of the bust dogs for use in the LawDogs program. The fact that these pups were so unsound made it impossible, a very sad thing, as had they been capable, it would have been awesome for the breed.  Again, those who resort to things like calling someone "angel of death" are not capable of holding an intelligent discussion on breed topics, and thus are of no consequence.  It is sad that every breed is plagued by these sorts.  

It sure is easier to sit behind a computer screen and rant and rave about those who are "doing", and to make up lies, than it is to actually do something meaningful, isn't it?   And so easy for people to see who builds and who tears down to throw rocks. 

I apologize to the serious GSD fanciers on here for my presence bringing drama.  I was an animal control officer for 20+ years, and work closly with law enforcement who are often at my home, so obviously the "horror stories" told by those who dislike my stances on culling, puppy milling, dog fighting, crating and shock collars are not true. As I have stated before I am proud of my work with dogs, and hide nothing. Anyone with serious questions may contact me as I am always willing to talk dog or have visitors drop by.  I love positive, serious dog folks!     

Don't project, Angel of Death.  Your murders and cruel actions are documented. Your useless book and websites won't protect you from the truth.
   I'm not a wannabe anything. I was in the dogs, before you knew what a bulldog was. You are the POSER. FYI, anyone who has been in the dogs for over 6mos, knows that Patrick didn't fight dogs.
  An AC Officer for 20+ years?....That sure makes sense.  You have the personality for it.

I do owe the Petbull forum, I criticized earlier, an apology.  Tatonka Kennels is worse than a BYB.  Anyone who would sell Jessup a pup, would sell to anyone, and is a Peddler pure and simple.

I guess I'm a little behind the times on the subject of pitbulls, so maybe someone will enlighten me on the subject. What is the difference between what you term as HOT pitbulls and game pitbulls, reading these posts it sounds like either one of them no matter whether you call it a HOT or game will fight to the death given the opportunity. I'm also a little confused about the bull catching thing, I was under the impression that these dogs were old world bulldogs, not neccesarily the american bulldog  but more this type then the pitbull version. Although the pitbull serves many other purposes at this time, I thought in the beginning these dogs were bred for one thing only, pit fights, hence the name[pitbulls] Again I'm not knocking the breed, the breeders, or the owners, my questions were sincere and not meant to offend anyone. I'm certainly old enough to remember the gsd's of the 60's,as well as the 50's but never saw this as a fad ownership that represented the same  types that acquire pitbulls as a status symbol like I see in the pit breed today, less then desirable bunch of folks according to the description given in some of the earlier posts.Again, I'm not looking for a confrontation, just curious.

Michael, hot can mean simply dog aggressive and looking for a fight. That has zilch to do with gameness. Where did anyone say they all will fight to the death??? Now, I'm confused.

Diane, you're calling Abhay a wannabe? ROFL.

GSDSRULE....yeah, it was one of my prouder moments, lol, right before I got kicked off that forum. Or a few days anyway. It can describe so many things today, especially in this country. Look at our dogs, our morals, our ethics....all watered down to the point where hardly anyone stands for anything, we're all so afraid of our own shadows. There are many tenses to the word, as well.

Maggie mae you must know very much about dogs in general. I have been training dogs for many years and have had many pits here for training over the year. Never had any problems with them. They had great temperament and eager to learn.  Have been in clubs across the country where there where pits and most where great dogs and very very friendly. After bite work they where lovers. The dogs I have always had dog aggression problems from was show line German Shepherds, pet labs etc. Mostly when people buy a dog just for its looks they don't always do the training needed. Working dog people seem to have the most well rounded dogs when it comes to behavior and aggression
There are some bad pits but probably just as many bad poddles, or goldens, etc

Jenni78, I'm not trying to give you a hard time, but I guess I think of fight to the death by some of the statements such as

Most people don't have dogs who will escape on purpose just to break INTO another dog's kennel to kill them. Something to think about. It's a whole 'nother ballgame w/dogs who think like that. How many people would worry about that??? Yet you have to, to keep these dogs. And they are well worth the extra work!!! I'm not complaining- I'm just pointing out that different measures are considered responsible among different temperaments

Michael, trying to explain the difference between aggression and gameness on message boards, is like running on a tread.
 As Jenni said, Aggression has zilch to do with Gameness.
  Gameness is determined in the womb. Gameness can be measured and proven, but it cannot be bestowed.

There are Game dogs, who will get along and play with other friendly dogs.  The great majority of the fight crazy, over the top dog aggressive Pits are not game.  A Hot, fight crazy Pit looks intimidating, but when he becomes tired, frustrated, hurt, or a combination of the above, he will most likely quit.

Most every Bar and town, has a Hot , Aggressive human.  As long as this tough guy is winning, and fresh, he is a Bad Mofo. Put this same tough guy in a ring, cage or Pit (Street) with a real fighter, and his true gameness will soon come to light.

Now, I'm not saying that a Hot, Aggressive dog cannot be Game, but "aggression" in itself, has nothing to do with Gameness.

One must be willing to boldly fulfill any incessant desire, the magnetism of which is so intense that it overtakes every fiber of his existence. There is neither an obstacle substantial enough, nor a distraction powerful enough, to justify a cessation of the journey. The only legitimate impediment is death itself. One’s persistence must not subside until his deed is complete, or until his final breath has exited his physical body.

Don't project, Angel of Death. Your murders and cruel actions are documented. Your useless book and websites won't protect you from the truth.
I'm not a wannabe anything. I was in the dogs, before you knew what a bulldog was. You are the POSER. FYI, anyone who has been in the dogs for over 6mos, knows that Patrick didn't fight dogs.

"Angel of Death"!!!  Funny stuff! I don't usually reply to this kind of wannabe junk, but just to set the record straight for anyone seriously interested, Pat Patrick's case was dimissed however, the judge stipulated he could not bring suit for the death of his dogs against the humane society/sheriff's office which charged him for three reasons:

a) it was HIS (Pat's) decision NOT to bond his dogs out, he allowed them to be killed despite having the money to do so

b) he proudly proclaims to be the breeder of numerous dog fighting "champions" in his ads
 
b) the judge determined there was sufficient evidence of WHAT HE WAS CHARGED WITH to support his dogs being seized and ultimately destroyed after he decided to deserted them

This from someone who was there (me), saw the dogs, tried to help them, etc.  Interestingly enough, no one else besides BadRap offered to help the dogs...  And that includes the whining poster.  Nuff said.

OK guys, this thread has really strayed from the topic I was posting on.  It is very obvious that there are some folks out there who dislike me and the hard stand I take on dogfighting and other issues. Fair enough. Hardly anyone on here knows me, and to be hit with the wild chit that a few posted I don't blame anyone for raising an eye. Like I said, look at my sites, drop me an email, give me a call...  When you consider that I have had film crews out here (covering my work with the dogs) from Oprah, 48 Hours, McNeil/Lehrer News Hour, and a dozen other news shows/channels, plus there are state troopers who chose to leave their K9s here rather than board them at their own kennel, well, all the "horror stories" began to look like the sour grapes they are.

So, as I am way too busy to waste time with The Sour Grape Brigade, unless this post gets back on topic, I shan't waste time here. Hope to see you on some other, informative thread!  : )