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Jantie, why do you feel it is so very crucial to your cause that you post your dog's x-rays on this site? After all, this is the day of the World Wide Web--you can set up your OWN web page, at no cost to you, using one of the myriad of sites that offer free web page hosting, and you can post every single radiograph that's ever been taken of your boy's hips THERE. If you wanted, you could post copies of the correspondance between the breeder and yourself, a copy of the contract you had (oops! forgot--there was none!)--anything you wish can be posted on your OWN web site. You can set up your site so that anyone doing a web search on whatever key words you choose will find your site URL included in the hits the search engine brings up. IOW, if you're trying to make a point, or warn or advise or inform others of the problem you encountered, you don't need to make use of someone ELSE'S site to do it--you can set up your own, where no one can tell you what you can and cannot publish on it. Might I suggest you consider that route, instead of trying to force the owner and moderators of this site to comply with your wishes?

Jantie have you considered surgery/hip replacement? Everyone has asked you repeatedly, you've never stated a reason for not doing it. Even if the dog is in bad shape only ONE hip is bad, he's a perfect candidate for surgery, the good hip will support his recovery. HELL, even amputating the leg w/the bad hip will make him a happy pet, dogs do very well on 3 legs. I am saddened you have not addressed the surgery issue directly.

I have a dog with Severe Dysplasia right and left, boy would I hate to be judged like this. I am judged for retiring him and not pushing harder in the pursuit of titles, but hey I watch those judging my decision trial limping dogs so it doens't bother me that I have higher morals. I have considered replacement surgery. When he was first diagnosed, oh my boy was getting hips at any cost! Do you have any idea how much that cost?? $5000 my booty try $8000 per side with the after care and thats at Vet Teaching Hospitals. Not to mention the 8 weeks of recovery in a room with good footing, on lead bathroom, no running, no jumping, no stairs, they have to be kept down and calm. Then physically rehab that hip for a year, now lets do the other one. My favorite vet school suggestion lets do an FHO on a 70 pound dog. Then hope the other severly dysplastic side is strong enough to support the FHO side. Even my vet was not agreeing to THAT. Pretty selfish of me for a dog who is almost 5 and just recently had to start taking perscriptions NSAID's. They are working wonders went to the vet limping and fearing the day had come. Left all giddy in his step and the day had most certainly not come. His liver levels are being monitored and to date no side effects. Is it expensive for his meds money wise $90 a month. Worth every penny. There are options besides euthanasia but those are Jante's to make. Jante's diagnosis isn't as severe. So he has a even wider range of opitons. When my boy is in pain and I see suffering, his time has come I hope I won't be judged for opting not to operate out of selfish motives. I hope I won't be judged for opting not to wait until he is in so much pain he is dragging himself and has lost control of his bowels. I say that because lately that seems to be the magic time to euthanise, loss of bowel control. Beleive me I spent and spend many a moments tearing up over this decision its the hardest any owner can be asked to make. To think last September I went to the vet planning to possibly euthanize him. I still have my boy and he is pain free and probably will still be pain free for years to come with the help Adequan and Metacam. Until his day comes he will kept comfortable, do I dread that day, yes. But I owe him that much, there will be no surgery, I also owe him that much.

Good posts, everyone. You are ALL to be applauded for your restraint (yes Jantie, you as well, although you were just being a smart-aleck! lol)! Jantie, I am not "hushing" you. I have yet to remove or edit a single one of your posts. If you do something that is against the Terms of Service, I will do so. Remember....this website is here as an informative site, not a place to bash others, regardless of whether they are guilty or not. Lastly, Indiana is always welcome here at my house. Once you put him down, your point will be made, but at what cost?(this is a bad decision, in my opinion, when there are people, like myself out there, who are willing to take care of him properly for the rest of his life. Taking him for 4km walks, etc., is irresponsible when you KNOW he has "severe dysplasia" in one hip!) Investigate other options, for the sake of your family member, as you have stated that he is! I would never put my child down because it had a leg that had some sort of issue. The same goes for my dogs. You do all that you can for that FAMILY MEMBER. Putting them down is a LAST RESORT (for me)!!! That does not mean I will let them suffer; far from it! I will pay out the money for whatever is neccessary to ensure that they are NOT suffering. (medications, surgery, whatever it takes!) I learned this behavior from my parents. I'll tell you a short story. When I was about 10, I found a GSD mix that was out by the river on one of our walks (we had 2 purebred GSD's at that time). I named him and we brought him home, because there was NO WAY were leaving this little puppy there to fend for himself. That night, he was vomiting and very lethargic. My parents took him to the vet's office and were told that he had parvo. They opted to do the full veterinary treatment, although this was VERY expensive at the time, and the outcome was not 100% sure. He DID come through the parvo, and he was GIVEN AWAY to a good friend of ours who wanted a puppy, but could not afford one. To this day, if I see a dog, cat, whatever, on the side of the road, or anywhere else, I will stop and help it however I can. I consider myself very fortunate to be able to do this!

There is a point where you have to ask if the help is for the sake of the dog, or for the sake of the person... Way too many dogs are kept alive beyond a reasonable point and often well beyond the point of any dignity, just for the sake of the owner, and maybe the vet treating the dog. A few years ago the dog that I still consider the best I ever had broke her back during play with my other dogs. Just one of those freak things that you think are impossible to happen, and right in front of you too. Took her to the vet right away, discussed options. Back surgery was not an option at that point, the spinal cord was definitely severed, which cannot be repaired. The fracture was at the end of the withers, so her vitals were stable, but she would most likely have needed assistance relieving herself from then on. And she would have needed a doggy wheelchair. There are people caring for their dogs in a doggy wheelchair. Sorry, not an option for me. And really not much of an option for a dog that was just 2 years old to be spending the rest of her life like that. She was put down. Some may think how cruel, some may think that was reasonable. My decision, no one elses business. When the decision is made to put a dog to sleep it is not always obvious to bystanders what is actually best for the dog. Providing it is an educated decision and options have been evaluated, one should respect what the owner decides and leave it at that. Options have been given, that is about all that can be done here, so let Jantie make his decision, and then respect it. To the moderator, you are in fact censoring when you decide what is informative and what is not. MaximusMom - you could try gold implants for drug-free pain control and also accupuncture. Both have had some good success, at least they may help keep the drug dosage low. I had been rather surprised by the results from accupuncture when a former vet of mine was studying accupuncture and was testing it on several older dogs that had reached the point of immobility or near immobility. It worked really well, and fast too.

DH, unsure what you are referring to with this phrase: "To the moderator, you are in fact censoring when you decide what is informative and what is not." Because you know fullwell that is not the case, so please don't suggest we are censoring. Members visit here because they seek information. Information that is of slanderous nature, is removed, whether educational or not. I've heard several times that acupuncture wouldn't work on people's dogs. My suggestion is the experience of the acupunturist needs to be thoroughly researched.

Just a question... How are X-rays that prove a dog (owned by the person who put up the X-rays, nobody else) has dysplacia considered slanderous? Also, a side note, slander is spoken, libel is written. Sorry, but I'm with Jantie on this one (no, I didn't read the whole thing, because it's rather tedious), if it's her dog and he has HD and she wants to make it public knowledge, then so be it. Who is anyone else to say that it shouldn't be done? Regarding the dog being put down, if that's what Jantie feels needs to be done, then it's her decision and not to be left up to the "fru-fru" crowd. It's not up to me to decide the dog's fate or to pass judgement on its owner.

I take my hat off to Jantie! Is this the third or fourth thread about this unhappy purchase he’s blessed us with? He bought a pet with no more but usual verbal breeder assurances that didn’t quite meet expectations, as can happen to anyone, and repeatedly blew it up into a grandiose productions, embroiling everyone else in the process. If Jantie can demonstrate that Indi is unfit to be a companion animal let the breeder return his money or give him a replacement. Anders, laat het nu gaan, goede man ! Gerrit.

Let me comment on this topic since acupuncture is being brought up. I know people doubt this holistic treatment for animals but probably never had any experience with it. My k-9 partner Had disc disease from an injury that occurred earlier in his career. He had some spinal injury to #7&8 disc's causing them to fuse. Well I never knew this until one night after he retired, he went to stand up and couldn't. I got him to our local animal hospital right away and after x-rays it showed how his disc was herniated. Well a shot of prednisone he was on his feet but not very stable. I took him to NYC to neurologist who was supposed to be the best and had a MRI done on him. Well while waiting for him to wake up from the anesthesia, the Doctor sat me down and gave me bad news, they couldn't do surgery because his spine had too many herniated disc's then what they thought. They gave him little time before this would become permanent disability and showed me a harness and cart. I went home did researched on it for days and started to read about acupuncture. I found a holistic vet in my area and took him there for consultation and I began the treatment from then on. He passed away 2 1/2 years later from cancer. He ran around every day before then even during his chemo and radiation treatment. I believe it prolonged his ability to walk and could never be told different. There are to many closed minded people out there when it comes to various treatments for pets, so they just put them down. There are many breeders that should not be breeders and just as many dog owners that should not be dog owners.

RIP Indie.