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Jantie, this is the way it goes on this board; it's the same as the green board, it's never about WHAT, it's always about WHO. One person I know calls it selective spanking. Chances are if your dog were bred by a enemy of the moderator(s), your photos would have been permitted to stand uncensured.

Jantie, Give up on it. Sad to say but you can't win with this idiot Saoa! I have dealt with her in the past and have a pup from her so called top stud dog that has more genetic issues that you could imagine. She deletes and posts whatever she feels and thats the way it has been run here for a while. She is a know it all,everyone is wrong but her. I have some news for you SAOA-your a poor excuse for a breeder IMO in this GSD world.

Jantie, still don't agree with your math, but yes IMO that was a very good thread and really have no idea what the reason was why it got so messed up? Maybe the 4 moderators should confer a bit more on what gets the delete button and what not, and when. This was a very civilized discussion when I looked at it last. And had very valid points. Now I really cannot make much of it anymore. Different issue - it takes time to contribute to this board and I really do not like to see my time wasted like this. Considering the amount of contributions of the past and now it seems obvious that many people feel their time is wasted when things get deleted on a whim... I am with you on this Jantie, it sucks. Biv, yours is a different issue entirely, lets not chew up old cud. Or if you must start it again, do it in your own thread.

Selective spanking - ohhh, you've made my day ;o). BTW Blitz, nothing degenerative in that x-ray yet. Misformed joint, perhaps, if we could get a proper view. Degeneration was not evident in that particular x-ray yet. As I hear it did show up in a later x-ray. But the joint could well have stayed exactly like that as well for many years. So no to your call of DJD (at least I think it was you, too jumbled up up there to bother re-reading, if I got the wrong person, my appologies). We don't know all the mechanisms yet why some joints go bad quicker than others. There are dogs with certified a1 or excellent hips who are not like that any more a few years later. And some still have near perfect hips at a very advanced age still.

Misformed joint? With all due respect, DH, it looks like DJD to me. There is definite flattening of the head, the acetabular rim is worn, thickening of the neck. Those are some pretty definitive changes on a dog of such a young age. I've seen dogs like that under a year of age and, radiographically, they tend to get worse with maturity although they may improve clinically. Too bad we can't see more examples of xrays for comparison. I suspect they would be deleted if we tried to post them. When I studied radiology at the University of PA, I was taught those findings are indicative of DJD. I certainly would not be expecting to get an OFA number on a dog with hips like that. I'd be willing to bet that the OFA report would state - moderate unilateral HD with degenerative joint disease. I don't remember, didn't Jantie have some readings done for an "a" stamp? I always think about injury when I see unilateral hip issues, and if my memory serves me correctly, there may have been some indications of that on that xray. In that respect, I might revise my thinking and concede that the hips could be misformed/malformed as a result of a trauma. That's always has to be a consideration when there is unilateral HD. Selective spanking is applicable to a number of happenings on this list and the green board. I suspect it's a lot more fun to be the spanker than the spankee OUCH.....LOL.

Question. If too rich a feed is fed during the early months, causing dissymetry of bone growth, will the possible dissymetry of bone growth also at times give the picture or appearance of a unilateral hip issue, without an injury "having" to occur? Thanks.

Good question, Stephen. I have been fortunate enough to have never had a dog with hip dysplasia (knock on wood!) so I will leave a difinitive answer on your question to those with more knowledge on this subject. That being said, I personally think that bone growth is typically symmetrical, unless there is some type of injury or trauma to one side or the other. i.e. This can happen when a dog runs on slick flooring, slips and "does the splits" and OOPS one leg gets screwed up, while the other is fine. Unless there is a genetic bone disorder that would cause only one bone to have this problem--which I have never seen. I am not a veterinarian radiologist either, though, so you'd have to consult an expert to find out the real story on that one. As far as Indiana is concerned, I think it is HE who has come out on the short end of the stick, and it is ultimately HE that will pay the HIGHEST price--the price of his life, since that is what Jantie has decided is best for him. I disagree, but it is not my place to tell others what to do in regards to a situation like this. I do not mean to sound offensive, Jantie, but I also would not send you another dog if I were the breeder. Not because you don't have a dog with hip problems, (the dog would have been returned to me (yes, I DO require this, for the reason thatyou can see here, people are unwilling to give the proper care for a dog like this, and will put them down. I would rather have the dog back and care for it myself, or find someone else who is also willing) and then you would have been given a new pup long ago, with the correct documentation) but because of, what I consider to be a clear lack of conscience for the welfare and life of your dog. There are many people who would take him and keep him comfortable, even pay for surgery to postpone any severe issues, until his natural time comes. It is wrong to destroy the dog when there are people who would do this, even if you're not willing to. I hope that he is not being put down simply as a STATEMENT to the breeder. That's harsh and not fair to the dog who has been your best friend and companion for the majority of his life. His life is worth more than that, regardless of his hip issues. People may disagree with me on this, and that is their right, but this is how I feel regarding this issue.

Anyone with any level of expertise in this area that can shed some light on my previous question?

Hello all, Please note TERMS OF SERVICE items 4 and 9. Thank you and sorry for the frustration of some. ;)

Jantie posted Xray pics on his dog’s gallery and they were removed?! WHY?!?! My god what is this site coming too? I sure hope Oli is watching this and how his moderator saoa is abusing moderator power (Would not surprise me to see that my post gets removed by the pedigreedatabase dictator). Shame shame shame on Saoa! Shame on you! This is soo pathetic. Jantie has every damn right to post anything that is "about" his dog. I think he has rights to post the x-rays... even if it clearly shows Hip problems. Saoa you seriously need to get a life. Take some time off from the computer and start training your untitled breeding dogs.. Or join a club and do something. Please please PLEASE take my advice, PLEASE!  Jantie, If Indiana was in my breeding program.. I wouldn’t hesitate to put you on first pick on my next litter (of course you’ll be waiting a while, if you don’t mind it)