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Already then. But you still are avoiding the issue of less than 2% being dysplastic according to your numbers. Please explain. Please also explain how your numbers apply to the research in the same siriusdog article (any particular reason why a previous post about this was deleted?) to the comparison of offspring of bitches with all three passing HD grades, and the fact that all three grades produce nearly the same results? Is Dr. Flückinger still basing his numbers on Swiss results from 1991 to 1994 based on less than 4000 dogs during that time? As to the experts opinion on what percentage does not get submitted - where do these experts get their info from? Vets are the ones who end up not submitting and they are the ones who quote the 10 to 15%. But do explain the low incidence of less than 2% of GSDs being dysplastic. Curious...

What about the dog?

oh wow i didnt think of that, a video..jantie maybe you can have the sweetie videoed today and email it privately to VomFelsenHof i can tell from the posts that your dog would be taken care of... no one would think badly of you if you did that... and it shouldnt matter what anyone thinks anyway its your dog... its not an easy thing for anyone to handle, taking care of an ill dog, some of us can more than others and really shouldnt be judged, but if you have sincere folks willing to help you to keep the dog alive, if indeed the quality if life is better is there... privately speak to someone and i am sure they will keep the info in confidence. i am in this thread midway and have no idea whats going on... no idea how old the dog is or anything and its ok i dont need to know.. but if its young and there are options to make him pain free and you are not financially able and feel ashamed DONT FEEL ASHAMED... let someone take the dog and give him all the financial care it can get! ******If Jantie feels that he cannot keep Indiana, I also am willing to pay to have the dog picked up and shipped here to me, where he will remain (Neutered, if Jantie would like) for the rest of his life. I would do everything that is within my power (yes, even hip surgery if it was required--that is the responsible thing to do, in my opinion!) to assure that this dog is given a fair chance at life.*********

VomFelsenHof, Indeed, you have a big heart in your offer. Your generosity is overwhelming. I hope you have a lot room to contain other dogs German breeders DUMPED! :-(

to zvkmm: understand your concern. but the dog would be under expert orthopod Dr. Swartz' care here to determine what approach to take. Hip replacement or medication, natural or otherwise. as to your other question: As long as the post is portrayed as an illustrative/educational one without the mentioning of kennel/breeder/owner name, I dont see why not. I recommend that someone else other than its owner posts. good questions by the way!

I am totally disgusted with things I have seen on a website concerning dogfur and dogmeat somewhere in Asi* (Bullsh** that I can not mention the name of the country/continent and website here). I am equally appalled and have always been, about “censorship” in some far off countries in parts of the world (cannot tell you which, must fear to be deleted). I am a promoter of the Freedom of Speech-theory and will always plea against censoring in any form. As I said before, I cannot understand how, in a Free World, we are very well allowed to show cuteylittle pictures of our doggiedoggies and puppies (“Oooooh! It’s sooooo cute!”), but we can’t put an x-ray on, to document what is wrong with same doggiedoggy! I, again, demand (politely) that I should be allowed to post my x-rays and be given permission to later publish the final x-rays of In*** (cut) to be made in due course. To Blitzen: I’m waiting for the actual appointment (The Vet Faculty of the University of Ghent is one of the busiest, if I remember well, they check about 2.000 horses and 500 cattle a year, one can then imagine how many pets they must be checking) and some different people (medical imaging and pathology) have to align their schedules, so I have to be patient and wait for their call. It’s killing me as you can imagine, but their expertise is worth waiting for. It gives us the time for goodbyes. I revealed the problem to one of Indy’s best friends, a schoolgirl aged approx. 11 on the playground at the local school, who has always been enormously fond of him and played with him twice a week during pauses from her music-classes. She told Yentl, same age (who is the newspaper of the village really, and he often came in-line skating with us when Indy was younger), now they have discussed the matter in class: how to deal with parting from pets. If my x-rays are “forbidden”/prohibited, I will refrain from further comments. People who wish to know how the story continues can let me know through this website. I will then keep you posted about the outcome. P.S.: I would NEVER ever let people take Indiana, who have the attitude of HIDING his x-rays to a larger community. There is NOTHING to hide here. HD is a huge problem with GSD and should be discussed openly and without the moderators scissors. I have corresponded with both SAOA and VomFelsenhof in private before. To both: I canNOT believe you HUSH me. I am very disappointed.

Jantie, you have had several offers to take this dog and give him a home for the rest of his life. These offers came from some very respected breeders who have even offered to have his hip replaced. I suspect this whole thread has backfired in your face; instead of getting a load of sympathy and support to flaunt under the breeder's nose, you have instead received offers to relieve you of your burden of caring for an imperfect dog. Didn't work too well for you, did it? Your focus seems to be on getting revenge and using Indie as the instrument for that revenge. Your statement that "I would never let people take Indiana, who have the attitude of HIDING his xrays to a larger community........" shows your true colors. You'd rather kill him than allow someone who doesn't agree with you to give him the life he deserves. What sort of man are you anyway and what did you expect to hear on this board? Most here are dog lovers who are appalled at the thought of your using this dog as a pawn. You have quoted Bob Dylan in the past I think, so you must recall his famous song - "He's Only a Pawn". I also recall reading a few posts from you dressing down another breeder for exporting a dog to a home where you felt he would be exploited and not loved. Now you are doing far, far worse. Revenge and proving a point has more weight with you than this dog's life? You never have answered - did you get a written contract when you bought him? If not, what is your beef? Let vonFelsenHof or Saoa or Birdie have this dog rather than kill him for your own sick revenge against his breeder. Again - PEOPLE LIKE YOU ARE THE REASON WHY I STOPPED BREEDING DOGS. You just have no soul.

These posts are too gruesome. Debating on putting up x-rays of a dead dog, who isn't even dead yet, is just too much to bear. So many people are emotionally in- vested in Indiana now. Most have had problems with HD in some form or another and understand your plight, but feel that Indiana might be able to survive---even happily---after a period of complete, confined rest and plenty of pain meds. (I'm sure the manipulations that were needed to take these x-rays only exacerbated the problem). Alternative solutions were also recommended. If none of these work, there is hip replacement as a final option. I broke my leg and knee last year. During physical therapy, I encountered many hip-replacement patients, who were all delighted with their new leases on life. Ironically, Jantie, I doubt there are few individuals who actually care about the HD statistics or the breeder responsibility any longer. A bad hip should not mean a death sentence. Everyone's heartstrings have been pulled over the fate of this dog. You have drawn us all into this emotional rollercoaster. Come on now. It's time for second thoughts. I really believe there can be a more favorable outcome for both you and Indy. It's just a hip.

LMH: thank you for your post - you said it much better than I could have. Jantie; NO

Gruesome is the perfect description.