Kraftwerk K9 kennel - Page 11

Ranger was my 3rd GSD. All my dogs have gotten used to cats, and done very well with them. The first time I introduced him to the cat, in spite of me being experienced with this, it nearly ended in tragedy. I"d forgotten he wasn't wearing a collar, due to an abrasion on his neck from being tied up 24/7. There was a wild chase through the house, which ended with the cat clinging to the venetian blinds in the living room for dear life.

After that, I made sure the dog was on the leash when I introduced them, and I corrected him for any move he made to chase the cat. It took time, but they eventually became such good friends that Ranger missed him very badly when he got run over by a car. (That's one of the reasons I went and got a second dog.)

But I have no doubt he would have killed the cat that first night, if he'd been able to get hold of him.

I also know of farm dogs who are fine with the resident felines, but will kill a strange cat that comes on the property.

W.C. gave this lady very, very bad advice on this.  He obviously has no experience with introducing dogs and cats. Either that, or he just wanted to make the sale.

My dogs get along fine with my 3 house cats, never in all the years I've owned dogs and cats have I had a cat injured (yes they have been chased) - but all of the feral cats that were living on my property - about 4 of them - were killed by the same dogs in the first few months of living here.  The dogs definately know the difference between a house cat who is "dog savvy" and doesn't dart around, and feral cats who run flat-out darting out from under something in the field or barn - one by one those feral cats would dart out and get gotten, it would be over before I could stop it (usually I walk several dogs together).   So they definately have "prey to kill" drive, and also know the difference between pet and not.

molly

 She paid so much because she bought a fully grown, already-trained, professional dog. Sadly, had she just spent $3000 on a puppy instead of a $12000 dog, her cat would probably still be alive. There IS an amount of liability on the breeder if he made the statements as claimed. This isn't about not believing you, Diana, it about what you can PROVE. Already many elements are there..Reasonable Man Standard..what would any 'Reasonable' man do in a similar situation? (Answer): They would call and ask, just as Diana did..they would clarify with the breeder about the correct thing to do. They would call again or email and ask about different scenarios, which it sounds like a very concerned Diana did..being very prudent and responsible. It doesn't matter about state laws, even though they may be more leinient (sp?) in WA, contract law is contract law. Again though, it's what you can prove. Diana might hav copies of some emails that show she had repeatedly voiced her concern over what was happening..and even if she does not hav his responses, the mere fact she emailed him with those concerns and what was taking place shows she took action to seek advice from the breeder, and shows reasonable due diligence that she probably followed any instructions given. it doesn't PROVE what she did, but in any civil action, it means you can prove 'more likely than not', giving you an edge for your burden of proof.

 Combine this with any contracts (he covers himself pretty well, but contracts are considered null and void if they are too 'one-sided', grossly slanted towards one party) that meet the criteria of showing a continuation, or even variance of the contract, and what transpired AFTER the sale. Also the inferences of all of the testimonmials on his website could be offered as a mountain of evidence that he purports safe 'family' home environment-type animals. This is consistent with your claims. The fact you paid such a large amount (and money paid is the binder) FOR the dog to BE TRAINED NOT to do anything that is INCONSISTENT with a 'safe, family-environment-type pet', means you do hav a case, since his verbal contract AFTER the sale continued to make you act in a manner which caused you loss. Because of the contract, you were motivated to do EXACTLY as he stated, otherwise you might hav ben in fear of loss or life, should you vary from his SPECIFIC instructions. But don't file for/under loss of your cat, file under breach of contract, that's the only way you will ever recover anything/your $3000/time/travel as you will hav to travel to WA state. (Which to prove a point I might go through, but it IS a gamble) I could go on about recorded conversations and what state laws might say about that, but it's late here and I think the Statute of Limitations has probably run out anyway on this, as I am looking at dates of 2006 here, and it's 2008 now.

 Remember people, you ALWAYS hav a 'promise to produce' to a certain extent when you buy something..otherwise people would just go around promising this widget will make you beautiful/a millionaire/turn you into a bird that can fly, and then when you buy it, say "Well what idiot would believe a statement like that?". It's illegal (ironically, this doesn't apply to advertising, only the sale)...buit again..it's late here and I am up with Tropical Storm Fay here in Sunny (haha) south Florida.

 So sorry this happened to you, Diana..in all honesty I wish you HAD used a little more common sense, but I don't blame you, sweeti..but this was kind of like giving a 4 year old a chain saw..I hope life has found you happier now that this is behind you..and I wish you well.

 ~MOMMY

All I can add is that the owner of this kennel is a very busy man. I saw him compete at the WDA NJ WORLD QUALIFIER and he had to leave immediately after tracking, not even doing obedience and protection!

LOL and how did he do at tracking?  He's well-known for pulling his dog and leaving if he fails tracking, or doesn't do "well enough" to have a chance on standing on the podium.  More likely the reason for leaving before obedience and protection, than his being a busy man ;)  Bethca his tracking score was not so good, or he would have stayed for the rest.   Can you say  "poor sportsmanship"?

molly

oh

i got it now!

he got a 25 and a 25 is failing!!!

it is not that he was busy then (probably not)

i feel like an idiot!

this schutzhund gets more fascinating and complicated and interesting by the day

i love it!

my friend called me and said you are on the money about that tracking score

i didn't know

sorry everyone

no problem Pat - sometimes you just have to learn by example - you know now :) 

really anyone who enters a Schh trial has set aside the entire weekend for that trial.  Barring a "real emergency" - noone leaves until the end.  Unless they are there to win, and if they aren't going to win, pulls their dogs and leaves - which is bad sportsmanship through and through.  Noone who loves the sport admires competitors who do this.  And there are more than a few that do, unfortunately.

molly

 Glad Molly set you straight. Curry does not compete. And to pull a dog for any reason other than verifiable injury or illness, as he seems to do a lot, is not about being busy.......

A bit off topic, but worth mentioning, as Pat's post demonstrates. 

 Molly Said:

<<<<"no problem Pat - sometimes you just have to learn by example - you know now :) 

really anyone who enters a Schh trial has set aside the entire weekend for that trial.  Barring a "real emergency" - noone leaves until the end.  Unless they are there to win, and if they aren't going to win, pulls their dogs and leaves - which is bad sportsmanship through and through.  Noone who loves the sport admires competitors who do this.  And there are more than a few that do, unfortunately."..>>>>>>

 Not referencing anyone in particular...yet.   But, not only do the competitors set aside the whole weekend, many, if not most, arrive at the venue the weekend before to let their dogs become acclimated and get some practice-time in.  Barring a REAL family  emergency, they are there for the long-haul, until after the closing ceremony and the closing of the hotel bar!  Even the spectators have carved out that whole weekend. 

Yep, sometimes, you can know the tracking scores at an event and predict, with 98% accuracy, who is going to have a dog injured or ill in  a few hours.    That is when it is nice to have a vet available to the event who also is a schutzhunder--they won't declare a dog eligible to be pulled,  unless the dog really is ill or injured.   How many people fail a phase in a club trial and soldier on, using the opportunity for training, learning, etc.   The sad thing is that the judges know who the unsportsmanlike pullers are as well as we do and don't , IMO, treat the matter as they should, i.e., DQing the bastards for unsportsmanlike behavior.