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by urmangsd on 13 May 2006 - 00:05

I would never hold a kennel that I bought a dog from responsible if the dog killed another pet, there are way too many factors involved. there have been numerous incidents where dog and cat were best buddies for years and one day dog just killed cat. for that reason alone I would never ever leave my dog alone with my cats unless that dog was half the size and weight of my cats (i.e...3lb chihuahua) Did the kennel tell you that the dog would never ever on it's life ever harm your cat? or did it tell you that the dog has no known aggression towards cats? if it was the former than that was just stupid and ludicris, no one can intelligently make that claim. if it was the latter then that is reasonable, they just told you what they have observed about the dog, not what the dog will do or not do. I have an 11 yr old female dog who has lived through 4 cats, the first one she was excellent with, the second one she was obliging and tolerant with but sometimes irritable, she did bite that cat once when it walked over the bone she was chewing on. the 2 cats I have now she is very irritable with and finds them too be a huge nuisance, for that reason I make sure that the cats and her are never in the same room together. I also have a 2 yr old male and he loves the cats, plays with them and grooms them and sleeps with them, but I would still never leave him unsupervised with the cats, just in case.

by k9only1 on 13 May 2006 - 01:05

If this was a puppy, a very young puppy can't kill a full grown cat, so I'm thinking this must have been an older pup, or adult dog. If I'm right, why not blame the breeder, the breeder knew this dog and told this lady, from what she says, this dog was ok with cats, so this breeder bares some, if not all the blame. Diana, if your telling us the truth then Kraftwerk is part of the blame, or bares all the blame!!!

by jettasmom on 13 May 2006 - 01:05

When first bought my puppy I told the breeder that I had a cat and they said maybe they will get along and maybe not.Well I brought her home and did what I was suppose to in the introduction well my cat tried to be friends and my pup thought he was just prey. When my pup was 4mo old she wanted to eat him. I was not going to sacrifice my raising a schutzhund prospect so I found the cat a new home. I knew if I kept the cat my dog would for sure kill it. My point in this is you bought a workingline pup/dog and should have known what could happen. It is in NO WAY the breeders fault it your own. To bad mouth any kennel for this problem is wrong. I am sure you know you were wrong and since you won't take responiblity you want to pass it on to someone else. Unfortunatly your cat payed the price for this one.

by Kougar on 13 May 2006 - 01:05

It was an adult dog - not a puppy. Kraftwerk is a broker/reseller - these are not his house dogs he is selling! Look at the for sale page - all imports, adults and young adults - and I'd lay odds 99% were kennel dogs. Dogs and cats CAN get along fine - but you never know until you have them both - and it is more an individual thing - cats do run and jump about - even when a dog and cat lie around together, a dog can trigger into prey and chase his buddy and being bigger, can hurt the cat! It is a risk you take when you introduce an adult GSD into your household.

by k9only1 on 13 May 2006 - 01:05

jettasmom, thats bullshit, there are many working dogs living with cats everyday, there are some that will never live with cats,Apparently you have never been overseas it's part of the lifestyle over there, some dogs will never live with cat's some live with cat's throughout there lifetime!!!

by makolady on 13 May 2006 - 02:05

Diana - you state that Kraftwerk told you the dog would be "ok" with the cat, not that the dog would never kill a cat. I have several German Shepherds that get along fine with my cat, but i would never leave them in the house alone all day while I was gone. I am not too much of a cat fan, but my kids are, so I have one cat. I have seen this cat torment the dogs and they ignore it, but if I was not around would they ignore it? I do not know and do not care to find out, therefore I don't leave them alone when I am not home. Sorry about the cat, but IMO the kennel has no obligation to refund money unless there is something in writing to guarantee the dog will never kill a cat. You do not give much information about the incident, you are only out to give the seller a bad rap.

Bob-O

by Bob-O on 13 May 2006 - 04:05

Diana7788, let me open by saying that I am sorry for the loss of your cat. I will offer the story of a sad dog/cat relationship from my personal history from that you may find a type of answer. I own a older civil-drive bitch, for who I was warned at the time of her purchase at eight (8) weeks of age that she would grow to be a cat killer. To that I said "I don't think so, but we will see." She socialized with the old cat that we owned and would play with him; albeit sometimes a bit roughly. The cat would tire of this and eventually walk away to a safe place. However, if the cat ran, the bitch's prey drive instinct deployed immediately. Fortunately the cat always escaped and lived to be very old. It may be well to note that this cat grew up with a GSD bitch that we lost many years ago, and was accustomed to the size and temperament of this bitch. The cat did not mind some socializing with either bitch, and would sometimes initiate this on his own. A couple of years after the death of this old cat, we adopted another cat (against my wishes) from my wife's daughter. While I did the best that I could to safely introduce them, the cat and the bitch kept a safe distance between each other, and did not socialize at all. There seemed to be no problem because of the separation distance, and the fact that the cat had a safe place to retreat. One (1) day I came home and had to remove the remains of a dead cat from my house. As the bitch had just finished weaning a litter of puppies, she was allowed to free-feed for a few weeks. The cat evidently came upstairs, was stealing from her food bowl, caught, and literally torn to shreds. She did not eat the cat. Bear in mind that none of her puppies were on the premises when this occurred. The outcome-same bitch with two (2) different cats (and a slight shift in hormone levels due to a recent whelp) resulted in two (2) very different outcomes. The first-liveable, the second-tragic. Could I ever again trust her with a different cat? Possibly, with careful introduction and correct socialization. However, very possibly not. Bottom line: I could not hold a breeder responsible for the killing of a cat. I believe that each animal's personality forms the sum of their relationship. Bob-O

greatestgsd

by greatestgsd on 13 May 2006 - 04:05

I do not like Kraftwerkk9, but I don't think anyone can say that a dog won't kill a cat. That is just something no one can say for sure. I know one thing for sure, you will not get a refund from him for any reason. If you would like more info please feel free to email me at mth4741138@aol.com

by EDD in Afgan on 13 May 2006 - 05:05

I have 4 working line high drive GSd's that get along fine with my wifes cat. Two (imported) when I bought them where listed as getting along well with children and cats and other animals. Apparently they had been exposed to cats. one of them a high drive female actually when at a friends house stayed absolutely still till the kittens came up to her, tapped her with their paws and then proceeded to rub up against her and crawl on her, she seeemed to like that. So yes people can say that a particular dog will get along with a cat. Problem comes when the cat is afraid of the dog and upon approach runs and becomes prey. My wifes cat does not move when the dogs approach, and when they get too pesty as one puppy can get they get a bat across the face. I have other GSd's that I would not trust with a cat even if the cat was on the other side of the room on top of the firdge. If the kennel guaranteed or advertised that the dog gets along with cats, it should. I would still have to loook at the totality of the circumstances though before passing judgement. If you returned the dog to them undamaged I would say that $3k is alot to keep.

DesertRangers

by DesertRangers on 13 May 2006 - 15:05

I have had my working line female grow up as a pup with a cat and would even eat out of the same bowl but this same female would kill another cat without missing a beat. Also, I would never trust an another dog to move in and accept a cat especially when your dealing with high drive working line GSD's. Someone earlier touched on the fact that cats like to "tease", I have seen cats walk on top of a wood fence in front of a kennel of dogs so that they would all get in a uproar. You can be sure that these dogs would take advantage of any opportunity to get at that cat! I agree that you should not promise a buyer that all will be fine with any dog and cat but have to be very careful. Sorry about your cat.





 


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