Who says competitive WL GSDs can't have excellent conformation - Page 4

AandA makes a good point.  This dog brings out the great dogs of yesteryear before the SL/WL split.  And here is the awesome thing about him, that he is close to the standard that both the SL and WL all accept.  There really is no disagreement between WL and SL as far as the standard.  What they do disagree on is how the SL judges may go weak on judging Sch qualification and the bitework at the shows and do not follow the rules.

Many WL folks just don't care about the standard and want to win in the profung ring no matter what.  And many zuchtschau folks just want to win in the showring and only care about training enought for their dogs to pass the courage test.  A fair number of SL dogs have much more working potential than is brought out due to a neglect of sch training in excvhnage for showring training.

So when a WL dog with such awesome temperament crops up that just happens to be V rated in conformation, and appears to come from producing liines, this is a very big deal for the breed and I hope SL folks take full advantage of it while they can.

The sable and the bi-color above also look very nice.

No, if almost every line in the pedigree goes back to Canto/Quanto/ and a little bit of Mutz, then it is current showline and way too much backmassing on just two dogs. Now, if the dog has Canto/Quanto way back but ALSO has otherlines bringing in genetic diversity as the dog Preston posted in the OP, then you have a very different genetic animal; and his working results attest to it. It not hard folks!!

No, if almost every line in the pedigree goes back to Canto/Quanto/ and a little bit of Mutz, then it is current showline and way too much backmassing on just two dogs. Now, if the dog has Canto/Quanto way back but ALSO has otherlines bringing in genetic diversity as the dog Preston posted in the OP, then you have a very different genetic animal; and his working results attest to it. It not hard folks!!

Sorry for the second posts, this posts is in response to those who claim the dog from the OP was not different from current showlines because he "some" Canto/Quanto. Big difference in a couple roads leading to Rome and ALL roads leading to Rome. 

The bad news is that the kennel that owns him is in Germany and I do believe they don't collect frozen semen for AI there.

So the link here under may not be my type...but he is a worty example of a quality GSD; who has been bred and later managed by people who have type and work as a code for being in the game, since not only has the dog himself achived respectable positions at shos and trials but has progeny doing the same in both fields.

http://www.pedigreedatabase.com/german_shepherd_dog/pedigree/450116.html

Keeping on theme from a previous thread about white spots.......I'll be the first to ask........Who, if anyone HAS actually said that competitive working lines can't have excellent confirmation? ...............My guess is nobody


RPK

 I don´t think these dogs discussed  look so good, why would a workingline breeder care about the "standard" if today details that has no value as a workingdog are favoured, is the ideal a "third leg" at the back today or why these curved slopped backs that you don´t see on older dogs like mutz or in many workinglines today? If this is of no use as a workingdog it´s just stupid to try to reach for that goal. The structure of the pictures below I think is more beautiful and also in line with what all GSD looked like before people started to drift away from the more normal structure before the split when there where no differnce between show or workingdogs. Also this dog with the pedigree below I think is very beatuiful, both a working and showchampion at his time, why on earth is there something wrong with his structure, obviously he doesn´t look the same as the dog listed previously.

www.pedigreedatabase.com/german_shepherd_dog/pedigree/128843.html

Johann77, can't see much from the first photo, but I like his color, good bone and male type and straight back. He is on alert so his tail is up and his back hair at the wither is up, so one can't see much about his croup.  He looks to be a bit short of rear angulation but if he moves okay and covers the ground in an acceptable gait, then that is okay.  Overall a very attractive male.

The GSd in the second photo, the lighter sable, look good and very typical for the late 1960's and 1970's.  Not too far from the standard which shows a bity more angulation in the front and rear.  But this looks like a very good, hionest GSD with good male type and nice proportions.  I would be happy owning a GSD that liked like this if he had clean joints, was healthy and had excellent and correct working temperament.  Personally I like the overall look of the lighter sable better, but that is just my preference.  Theyu look to both be worthy GSDs.