Who says competitive WL GSDs can't have excellent conformation - Page 5

The black and tan male I posted is Javir's brother!

 The pictures I posted is actually the same dog even if he is more close to the first picture in colour in real life, but it was just an example of the more shortbacked and less angulated dog I prefer and that I assume is a better type for working, at least wolves and other  wild "cousins" to the GSD have similar build and they work pretty hard for their survival I guess. But often such dogs can´t compete in the showring so that´s why I don´t see the point to strive for that to please the fashion in the showring.

I don´t know how this dog below would place in the showring but he is also pretty in my opinion, if the showring promoted a muscular robust structure without exaggertaions I would have no problem with it really, I think most people likes a certain beauty in their dogs but I see no  beauty in the modern showdog, why can´t people just be happy with the robust good looking dog that once was the norm and I´m certain if you asked the average person on the street would also like better than what is considered beautifull in todays showring.

another V working line. Not too shabby IMO.

www.pedigreedatabase.com/german_shepherd_dog/pedigree/570280.html

Rik, what are the chances that dog *actually* has that topline?

BT, I spent 2 days (off and on) with a magnifying glass trying to learn to recognize "doctored" and am no better off than when I started. So, you're not putting me in that tail spin again.

Not sure how the angulation front and rear could be doctored, although I think the back and croup would be easy enough.

Several littermates have close to this structure, although not as extreme. In looking at the backgroung, especially on mother line, there are dogs back to the 60's which also exhibit some of these traits.

Best,
Rik

I'm not sure whether that one is doctored or not--but I find it suspicious that he has that perfectly smooth topline--most working lines (most dogs) just don't.  That is not to say he isn't a beautiful dog. Just may not really have the body profile we think he does based on that picture.

After messing with some pictures myself and learning how to use Photoshop to do things like remove an inconveniently hanging leash, I've learned to see some of the tell tale remnants of retouching. Still, it's really hard to tell when the editing is well done and you're not looking at a high-quality image.

I don't mind a retouch here or there (such as removing a leash or odd shadow or weird hair ruffle). But when we don't really know what these V-rated working dogs look like (see the Stadfeld dog pictures), we're making judgments on shaky ground. :/

Metin v Stadfeld: www.pedigreedatabase.com/german_shepherd_dog/pedigree/122474.html

Siblings: www.pedigreedatabase.com/german_shepherd_dog/siblings/122474.html
In looking at the sibling pictures, you can tell the ones that I don't think were doctored--they look like normal handsome dogs. The ones that I think were doctored have exactly the same topline--due to using some sort of template to "draw in" the toplines.

www.pedigreedatabase.com/german_shepherd_dog/pedigree/329983.html

www.pedigreedatabase.com/german_shepherd_dog/pedigree/443289.html

www.pedigreedatabase.com/german_shepherd_dog/pedigree/127523.html

(edited to add links)

This is a dog 3 generations back (of the one I posted) through the dam line. He is very close in structure, angulation and type.
www.pedigreedatabase.com/german_shepherd_dog/pedigree/267.html

Rik

 BlackthornGSD,

I have my brother sitting here with me, he has a master degree in fine arts, he draws and paints and shows his paintings here and abroad, he owns and runs a graphic design company, he uses photoshop and other similar softwares professionally and he seconds what you just said above. All the photoes in your above links were photoshopped in varying degrees and says some of the dogs may have gone into some serious alterations and adjustments in figure and in color.
He says a simple thing you can do to touch up the color and lines of body is to use the filters tool in photoshop and that can do excellent easy jobs.

Ibrahim

 This is an example of filter tool work, he did in less than a minute.

Ibrahim, very interesting contribution. It is a very poor practice that there are those who present dogs altered.

So far, this has been a very surprising thread. People express likes, dislikes and differences of opinion in the interest of discussion and not personal attacks.

Who says a civil discussion cannot be carried on here. Well at least so far.

Rik