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by Donald Deluxe on 08 March 2011 - 03:03

"No. They become a special class with cronyism."

Why yes, it's absolutely terrible that a bunch of greedy SOBs with a mere 20 years of education, Masters degree and ten years on the job are earning a whopping $50K per year teaching! 

by beetree on 08 March 2011 - 03:03

I'm not talking about teachers but their Administrators and ... It's all those bureaucrats that get me. The Zoning Tsars and building inspectors and tax collectors and Administrators  and assistants etc. who have perks and pensions and guarantees that the people who foot the pay will never have. 

BS on the I paid  $$$$ for my Advanced Education. That is neither here nor there these days. Dime a dozen. and the starting salaries just are not what they used to be for all that wampum.  Keep up the talk though,  because your salary depends on it.


by Donald Deluxe on 08 March 2011 - 04:03

I agree that there are too many administrators in the public schools - but those jobs are non-union political creations and would still exist regardless of whether the teabaggers are successful at union-busting.

by Donald Deluxe on 08 March 2011 - 04:03

And I'm actually self-employed, and the only reason I have an advanced degree is because I couldn't take the exam to enter my profession without it.

Mindhunt

by Mindhunt on 08 March 2011 - 07:03

As a retired firefighter/paramedic, I can thank my union (IAFF) for all it has done in keeping our benefits, retirement, minimum staffing, overtime pay (can't leave until the fire is out), sick time, even "light duty" where an injured firefighter can continue to work in a job that will allow the firefighter to heal and still keep working.  We  work 24/7/365 and am glad that we had a good union.  The legislation in Michigan called PA 312 Binding Arbitration stated that we were NEVER allowed to strike for any reason.  Thank you International Association of FireFighters (IAFF)

BabyEagle4U

by BabyEagle4U on 08 March 2011 - 11:03

71% of the firefighters in the USA are volunteer. My dads a retired volunteer Fire Chief. I'm a volunteer for 11 years. The closest paid firefighters Station is 59 miles from us. I've never seen them respond to anything fire or EMT related around here other than our annual parades. Our Station also has volunteer EMT's. All our fires are put out, people saved and some firefighters over the years lost their lives in the line of duty.

Just saying.


judron55

by judron55 on 08 March 2011 - 15:03

wow....most of your parents would be turning over in their graves....without the unions protection...they are going back to slave labor....safety, fair pay, insurance..out the window...all because of greed at the top.

 


by alaman on 08 March 2011 - 16:03

Public employees should not be allowed to be a member of a union. Even that icon of liberalism, Roosevelt agreed with no public employee unions.

They already have civil service protection which is more than employees in the private sector have. The very idea that public employees should be able to retire after 20-25 years of service at any age with pensions of 70-80% for the rest of their lives is a slap in the face to private empliyees who must work to 65 or older to retire.

The teacher's unions have protected a corrupt public education system.

Abolish all public employee unions.

BabyEagle4U

by BabyEagle4U on 08 March 2011 - 17:03

Example : a USA company with workers making a machine part, the USA workers are fired and the machine part that USA workers made is imported, (false statistic of productivity in the work place < same machine part less workers making them>) Unions promote this because now they can get higher wages for the smaller amount of USA employees with the machine parts being imported.

This is not only a loss of USA jobs, it's a false statistic of productivity in industry. Sure the workers that didn't get fired, let go or forced to retire are getting higher wages and benefits from their Unions .. but in reality there is less productivity and a sharp decline in the job market. It's really not rocket science.

What we need is another Industrial Revolution (wages didn't rise, productivity did, USA jobs created) where new industries rise up and demand USA workers for USA productions. THIS IS NOT GONNA HAPPEN WITH UNIONS !!!! This is where the USSR went wrong, they were too close a neighbor to China I think. ha ha

The more that's produced, the cheaper things get, Americans could buy more stuff without the wage hike to compensate hyperinflation and the FED's printing press. It's almost like fighting fire with fire or better yet, honest labor vs engineered decline of the dollar. Print it outta thin air for purchasing power or bust your ass for what you need. Unions pander with the FED. Americans are literally busting ass to save a dollar that the government keeps on printing. Sad really. Ya there's an awful lot of people turning over in their graves.

JMO.

BabyEagle4U

by BabyEagle4U on 08 March 2011 - 17:03

Now that I think about it. It's not just people in graves anymore !!!  This is a good think. YAY America !!! 





 


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