Haus Gero Kennel - Page 4

This wonderful thread has brought back many pleasant and nastalgic thoughts. Any comment on some common terms of yesteryear not heard often today--- How about single track--- How about flying trot--- Some special qualities unique to the German Shepherd Dog. Many of the dogs of today seem to lack these special attributes? A couple of months ago someone sincerely asked about the contribution of some of the great producers of the past. One of those particuarly mentioned was Lasso di Val Sole. Some one came back with those dogs are "obsolete" and no longer of importance. Suggested look to more modern dogs like Ursus and Yasko. I recall checking Ursus pedigree to 7 generations and I believe Lasso was there something like 5th--twice, 6th-- 5 times, and for good measure I believe 1 more time in the 7th. Are not these great dogs sill an influance. The gene pool is what it is. There are really, no new genes being invented or added. They are in plain language being moved about through breeding. Tracking some of these traits through the generations can be extremely interesting if one can remain objective. Just some thought for possible dicussion in a civil, thoughtful, positive manner. Morgan

Well said PJ I often wonder whether line breeding heavily back to 6th and 7th generation is actually very effective, does a dog appearing 6677-6677 on a pedigree make it as prepotent as say a granparent? my researches are leading me to think it does. Also I was chatting last night to a friend who is very well thought of as a breeder and we both felt that not enough importance is attached to the contribution of the bitches in a pedigree. Welcome Louise great to hear Dingo's influence lives on, shame that Zeek is not as well apreciated as he might be. C

Hi All, This is still a great thread, a joy to read and contribute to. Sumo, wish I could answer your question with absolute certainty regarding Dingo's use. From my observation and understanding the reasons are because he was not as good at improving anatomical, genetical faults or consistantly producing type, as were others of his day. In agreement with Radical the Jewels in the Crown of any breed are the females. In reality only 10% of the male population are ever used significantly as opposed to 90% of females (i.e Only 10 in 100 litters may produce a future stud, yet 90 out of 100 will probably produce a female to breed on from). Hence the reason females offer up the most diversity when it comes to alternative genes pools(bloodlines) and the reason why owners of the most popular stud dogs will fall over themselves to accomodate a good female. Remember, males are mostly on offer to all willing to pay the fee, females are only on offer if her owner chooses to use that male!! Whereas some females can produce to anything, others need help from the male, if the male is incapable of stamping his type in the areas most needed he will soon be abandoned as a stud force. For this reason the progeny produced by his first crop of females could make or break him as a stud. Whichever the senario the same crop of females will move on and continue to propogate with other males. What these males produce to the same crop of females in relation to what was produced by other males determines the potency of his worth as a stud. Finally, the breeders knowledge and experience weighs heavily on the right choice of stud, knowing what may or may not compliment their female can be imperative and can potentially be the most important equation to the final outcome, otherwise breeding would become just a numbers game. Best Regards Sue

Well said PJ I often wonder whether line breeding heavily back to 6th and 7th generation is actually very effective, does a dog appearing 6677-6677 on a pedigree make it as prepotent as say a granparent? my researches are leading me to think it does. Welcome Louise great to hear Dingo's influence lives on, shame that Zeek is not as well apreciated as he might be. ****************************************************** I guess a lot may depend on the prepotency of a particular CURRENT DAY stud (and the fact that he has Dingo on BOTH sides of his family). When his dam, Quiz Olympus, was bred to Jello, she produced Jello's prepotency in Zeek. OTH, when she was bred to Ursus Batu, their son, Geronimo Olympus, has proven to be more dominant for producing the Ursus phenotype and his attributes than even Ursus himself--JMHO. If the breeders prefer "Flavor-of-the-Month" studs (with the "mystique" of an import with a German kennel name) and don't appreciate the Jello type in Zeek, the loss is theirs. As Blitzen posted in the thread IMPORTING PUPS FROM EUROPE, "I've only been a GSD owner for 12 years, but I don't think I'd have any problem finding a well bred, sound puppy right here in the US." Louise Louise

Hello Hukka, That is a nice piece of information. I think there are no photos available from that litter. Just to check how the Haus Gero dogs look like now. Is there any source where we can find the contact of Rolf Jansen.

Sorry, all they list in the Zuchbuch is Rolf Jansen, Stadtlohn.

Thanks Hukka. Hope I will find it from somewhere else.

Hello, I heard Dingo won lot of shows in Italy. And he was used very much as stud in Italy. Does anyone have idea which kennel he used him and still continuing with his lines? Thank Youh