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by Mateo on 04 September 2011 - 21:09
by Championl on 05 September 2011 - 05:09
Thank you for this website, and for the video of Homar, I'm always interested to see the bitework videos including those of the dogs who failed like him. Here is the video link for anyone interested. I'm not singling this dog out, it's just the only video I found so far.
Homar dei Colli di Uzzano
Homar dei Colli di Uzzano
by Championl on 05 September 2011 - 05:09
Ps. The wesbsite owner already did the work for those of us interested in bloodlines (shoutout to Dog1), and researched the lines of the dogs who FAILED the TSB for those who are interested. Anyone else note of all the top TSB dogs, how many of them were showlines this year? And none in the top 50... This coming from a "showline person".
by SitasMom on 05 September 2011 - 06:09
Mateo - thank you for all your hard work!
by Championl on 05 September 2011 - 12:09
Not to hijack this thread but I found a few more TSB videos. Here you can also see how Arex failed, fast forward to 41 seconds and you will see where he fails the long bite. These are not my videos, I just found them on youtube.
http://www.youtube.com/user/ewalves
http://www.youtube.com/user/ewalves
by lachanchis on 05 September 2011 - 13:09
Fedor Mir-Jar was considered at the top of the TSB this year and failed last year. Some working lines failed too. It is not that simple. It definitely can give some guidance when deciding which lines to pick. Thanks for the link to the videos as watching the dogs and why they fail is very telling in terms of character.
In terms of Quenn, his father failed the TSB more than once so I am not surprised to see so many in his progeny failing. Quenn was above average in terms of TSB but most likely this came from the maternal side. I have a half brother from paternal side and he is a big softy. I REALLY doubt my dog could ever pass any 'courage test'.
Thanks again for the links.
In terms of Quenn, his father failed the TSB more than once so I am not surprised to see so many in his progeny failing. Quenn was above average in terms of TSB but most likely this came from the maternal side. I have a half brother from paternal side and he is a big softy. I REALLY doubt my dog could ever pass any 'courage test'.
Thanks again for the links.
by Ibrahim on 05 September 2011 - 14:09
What a shame indeed, show breeders should take remedy measures ASAP.
Ibrahim
Ibrahim
by lonewulf on 05 September 2011 - 19:09
"What a shame indeed, show breeders should take remedy measures ASAP.
Ibrahim"
Why should they take remedy measures Ibrahim?..... most GSD buyers are unwilling to invest in the effort to train themselves to be effective leaders of a strong dog..... then why should any breeder breed dogs that are stronger than what his customer is willing to handle....
A strong balanced dog is not something that pops out of the puppy box already made...... even if the ingredients are there it requires balanced leadership on part of the owner for it to manifest....
Lastly I saw the video of Arex..... too bad that the dog was trying to do a blind search for the helper during the long bite..... seems to me that if the owner had invested in a little more training in the working field than the conformation ring, it would have served him better......
Oh! Yes I know he is supposed to be a SchH3..... but we know the worth of that don't we?
Ibrahim"
Why should they take remedy measures Ibrahim?..... most GSD buyers are unwilling to invest in the effort to train themselves to be effective leaders of a strong dog..... then why should any breeder breed dogs that are stronger than what his customer is willing to handle....
A strong balanced dog is not something that pops out of the puppy box already made...... even if the ingredients are there it requires balanced leadership on part of the owner for it to manifest....
Lastly I saw the video of Arex..... too bad that the dog was trying to do a blind search for the helper during the long bite..... seems to me that if the owner had invested in a little more training in the working field than the conformation ring, it would have served him better......
Oh! Yes I know he is supposed to be a SchH3..... but we know the worth of that don't we?
by VonIsengard on 05 September 2011 - 21:09
"most GSD buyers are unwilling to invest in the effort to train themselves to be effective leaders of a strong dog..... then why should any breeder breed dogs that are stronger than what his customer is willing to handle...."
This statement is as true as it is disheartening. The answer first is for the breeders to stop selling dogs to buyers who are not cut out for GSD ownership so they need not water down their dogs, to take a stronger hand in puppy placement and outright refuse the sale of stronger pups to less experienced buyers, and in many cases, educate themselves better so they know how to evaluate a very young puppy. Even very strong dogs will produce pups from time to time more suitable for a softer owner, but to breed for it deliberately does the breed no justice.
This means sometimes you'll sit on a puppy longer until the right buyer comes along. You'll lose money sending people away who are not right for your dogs. It means that breeders of lesser quality dogs and lesser ethics will profit from your overflow of buyers. It's the price you pay if you want to disregard a market that is at odds with the standard.
But as I'm sure lonewulf already knows, this will never happen on a large scale. How can it, when so many breeders have a new litter of merchandise to move every month?
Anyway, my apologies for derailing the thread. Your website is very nice, it's always interesting to see results stacked with photos. Thank you for linking it.
This statement is as true as it is disheartening. The answer first is for the breeders to stop selling dogs to buyers who are not cut out for GSD ownership so they need not water down their dogs, to take a stronger hand in puppy placement and outright refuse the sale of stronger pups to less experienced buyers, and in many cases, educate themselves better so they know how to evaluate a very young puppy. Even very strong dogs will produce pups from time to time more suitable for a softer owner, but to breed for it deliberately does the breed no justice.
This means sometimes you'll sit on a puppy longer until the right buyer comes along. You'll lose money sending people away who are not right for your dogs. It means that breeders of lesser quality dogs and lesser ethics will profit from your overflow of buyers. It's the price you pay if you want to disregard a market that is at odds with the standard.
But as I'm sure lonewulf already knows, this will never happen on a large scale. How can it, when so many breeders have a new litter of merchandise to move every month?
Anyway, my apologies for derailing the thread. Your website is very nice, it's always interesting to see results stacked with photos. Thank you for linking it.
by Ibrahim on 05 September 2011 - 21:09
Anyway, my apologies for derailing the thread.
I personally don't think you did, on the contrary I hope we all benefit from what you and lonewulf said and you keep on it.
Ibrahim
I personally don't think you did, on the contrary I hope we all benefit from what you and lonewulf said and you keep on it.
Ibrahim
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