Friendship Respect and Courtesy - Page 2

This discussion should have happened at the time of lease and written out. Leasing = whoever leases, gets kennel name. Does not matter if $$ changed hands. I did this with one of our females - a friend leased her. It was her breeding on paper (we decided on the male), her kennel name and she named the puppies.

On AKC papers, directly above the boxes for the name, "The registering owner has the right to name the dog." If the new owner wants the kennel name of the owner of the dam, they certainly have that right. Once AKC issues a name associated with th AKC number, they don't take it back. No breeder or owner can change it. Even if it's a STUPID name or one that shouldn't be there. I tried for the longest time to get them to change a type o and they never would. It was an "e" instead of an "a". Simple mistake, but it lives on with the dog. It was nice that you decided to have both kennel names on your 2 pups. You certainly were justified to leave the lease name off entirely. As for the pups sold by the leasor, he also had the right to leave your name off. Should he have, probably not, specifically since it sounds like you discussed your choice to include his kennel name on your own babies. My own choice, I would prefer puppies not raised by me have other kennel names. I wouldn't want my kennel name associated with puppies whose upbringing was not carefully overseen by me. Pedigree is just one piece of a healthy dog. Puppy rearing is never the same from one kennel to another, and earliest handling effects long term health as well as temperament.

Debby, I just read Ski's post and went back to reread Molly's post to be fair. Sounds like this is the common practice and maybe your friend was more aware of this procedure. Because this procedure is common-place, though, it doesn't necessarily make it the best one for YOU---But, it has to be considered in judging your friend's actions. Hundguy, Whether or not this topic should be here, sometimes people get upset and need answers. Besides, I'm sure anyone reading it will learn immensely from it--and that's what this site is about.

Sue-Ann, Thank you for that info. I did not know that - in all the leases that I have heard about, it was the same process as when my friend leased our female.

Contracts - Contracts - Contracts. Being the owner of a dog that was a verbal lease between 2 breeders all I can say is it is a mess. The breeder on my papers says it wasn't her litter and I need to deal with the breeder from the kennel where my dog was whelped. So I am stuck between a she said - she said situation. So not only can it be a problem for the breeders involved, but it can also become a confusing mess for the puppy buyers involved.

Thank you all for your opinions. It really did help in sorting things out. That being said... It is a given that his kennel name should be on the puppies and that he has the right to name the puppies. ( he did register the puppies before they were sold. he is keeping 2 and one is sold, 2 are available, but already named and registered) I guess I would not feel so bad if we had not discussed the name thing earlier. The "disagreement" came when I thought we had left it that both names would be used. Then to be shocked that this had not been done. But Jeff is right. Friendship vs Puppynames .... kind of brings it back into perspective. Debby

BTW.. The breeder CAN change the name of a dog with the AKC, IF the dog has not gotten any titles or had any progeny. The owner can too, if they have the breeder's permission. Debby

Debbie, glad you sorted it out. Your friend leased the bitch and used your stud dog and by letting you have the pick of both sexes, therefore it is his litter which he has paid for and IMO paid heavily for the priveledge. Personally i would rather have paid you cash for the lease of bitch and use of stud dog, keeping the picks of litter for myself. I think your friend showed his friendship, respect and courtesy to you by allowing you to have your kennel name on the pups you took, be satisfied with what you have got. Can i ask, who you actually believe is the breeder of this litter? You or your friend? And if any of the pups need to be returned in the future who would you expect to take them back and reinburse the owners, you or your friend? Bet these questions puts a whole different light on situation! Marge

No, Marge, If you look I have always attested to the fact that he is the owner of the litter and he has perfect legal rights to name the puppies whatever he wants. I had perfect right also to name the puppies I got whatever I wanted as they were not registed yet. It is a respect and courtesy thing period. Working it out in my mind is one thing. The hard thing is buring it... we'll see. Debby

<<<>> Bingo! - friendship, courtesy, respect is one thing, but Business is Business. If everything is spelled out clearly on a contract then there leaves no room to assume anything. I understand your point of view Debby, but next time get it in writing.