Friendship Respect and Courtesy - Page 3

unlike dogs -- people have motives and agendas[ usually selfish ones at that .. and w the GSD greed / ego ] -- definitions of freindships is very diluted nowadays --- unlike the faith /trust/ affinity / and loyalty a GSD shares with us .. people should take a lesson in life -- SO -- i feel for you -- obviuoisly the person you aloowed to breed IMO is no freind to you or the GSD -- SO .. tell me .. what is/was the real agenda of this person ?? -- Goodness would it have caused any harm to add your kennel name ?/ if it weren't for your generosity there would not have been that litter -- and as far as selling pups -- i wouldn't want one from him even if the dog was VA 1 -- tells me a lot about the character and integrity of that person - as a matter of fact- if he thought your dogs were worthy to breed then he should make even more a plus out of that for if you had faith in him/her then why wouldn't anyone else .. especially those that may want to adopt/ work etc pups from that litter -- just goes to show --GSD are true blue -- but people -- we all have our own outlooks [ ususally to suit ourselves ] - life is a learniong lesson -- don't fret .. just do the best that you can .. and concentrate on that now --

Well, I didn't read all of the responses, but just going on the original post/question... If you friend leased/borrowed your bitch, had her bred to your male, whelped and raised the pups, then it should be THEIR kennel name on the pups. Now, they may or may not agree to you putting your kennel name on the pups that you got from the litter (personally, I wouldn't have an issue with that), BUT the rest of the litter should be in THEIR kennel name (if they've got one). There is no "slap in the face" as once you agreed to lease/loan your bitch to them for the litter, you agreed that THEY were the breeder of the litter and not you. See if this example helps clear things up... You want to go to a shooting range and ask to borrow one of my pistols and ammo. I agree and let you borrow the weapon and ammo. For some reason, you get into an altercation and shoot/kill another person. You're found to be in the wrong and are prosecuted for manslaughter/Murder 2. Should I be prosecuted for the same crime, seeing as it was my pistol and ammunition used? HELL NO!!!

It's sad that this happened amongst friends and unfortunate that the Debbie thought/assumed that she would been part of this litter's registration. Some say it's not worth a friendship. I may not end our friendship but it could NEVER be the same as in the past and I would eventually let this friendship die out. Just my opinion as I could no longer trust this person to be friend enough to look out in my favor. I'm sorry Debbie, I hope you can let this go and not eat at you, get your dog back and think really hard before you do something like this again. Interesting analogy Mike.

Mike, That's one analogy---Here's mine. Say a surgeon discovers a method to perform a delicate operation and creates a tool to aid this method. A different surgeon borrows it and performs another operation. If I was the second surgeon being applauded for saving my patient's life, you can d-m well be sure I'd also mention the 1st surgeon's imput. Bottom line, her friend disappointed her and she feels bad. This wasn't a 'business' partner really---She expected more, and is already a little wiser.

But LMH, if the patient of the second surgeon died, would the surgeon who invented the tool want to take half the blame! Marge

Marge, This has nothing to do with right and wrong, or legal issues. It's all about being let down by a friend, and how one comes to terms with it.

What is wrong with you people, someone leased a bitch and paid the price asked i.e the two best pups! Seems to me Debbie wants all of the cake as well as all the cream, if she thinks this litter so good let her put these two dogs together herself next time. Or would she want her friend to pay her a leasing fee for that too? I am struggling to work out what exactly her friend got out of leasing this bitch and having this litter? Was it his originally suggestion or was it Debbie who just thought of a good way for her to have a litter without all the work/risk/time and finance involved in rearing one? So friend talked into leasing bitch to invest all the work/risk/time and finance and now litter turned out so good Debbie wants all the ackolades without any of the work/risk/time/finance or effort? Wake up Debbie, you will get the credit for breeding both sire and dam, but you are not the breeder of this litter your friend is! Just get over it and put the two dogs together yourself next time. Marge

Marge, Go back. They had discussed the name thing earlier. Supposedly, it had been settled --both names would be used. "Then to be shocked that this had been done." It's nothing more than that. People feel things differently, Marge. This isn't about her renegging on leasing rights. She's not doing that. I would just rather say to her that I do understand what she is saying---it wasn't really right of her friend---but try and forget it. There's no reason to get mad at her. Like Alphapup said "what would have been the harm...."

MikeRussell - Exactly!! I couldnt agree more. Never mix business with pleasure. (Business will then remain pleasurable) - And - Never lend to a friend what you cannot afford to loose! (Unless you can afford to loose a friend). Two very good sayings for very good reasons. Debbie - forget the emotion, keep the friendship but remember the lesson and move on. Marge

I think that the main thing here is that the breeders in our area that are friends think highly of each other and would put kennel names on the pups if they were our litter. When it comes time for my girl from Deb to have a litter, I will be talking to her about the kennel names and will try to come up with something that fits. With both of our kennel names, that won't be a big issue as to how they will work out on papers. If my girl is bred with my DDR boy (I have already told Deb if we use him, that she is going to help me place pups, LOL, because of the expected drives!) or if she is bred with another stud even one of Debs, I will be putting her name down on the papers. I trust her name and her kennel name too much not to do it. The pups will be mine and with my guarantee yes, but I just can not leave her kennel name out because of respect. I hate that this happened, especially with friends. The relationship will be hurt by it, he might not even think as to why. Pia