Working dog breeders now breeding show lines??? - Page 3

anyone is always welcome to come meet or test any of my dogs at any time. She bit her handler in retaliation for harsh handling. I like that in her temperament, she doesn't take pain without giving some back. I do not have a problem with breeding a strong-minded dog - her temperament and nerve are excellent and she could stand up to anyone's test of that as could any of my dogs. molly

I've seen and played with Molly's bitch. She is not only lovely to look at, she also has an impeccable temperament as do all dogs on Molly's property. It is hard to believe the bitch ever bit anyone. A classic example of the previous owner not being able to "read" the dog. If I were in the market for another GSD, I would buy a puppy from this bitch in a minute with absolutely no concerns whatsoever about her temperament.

{{I'm sick of looking at coyote-ugly, slab-sided working dogs with snipey heads, dropped withers, straight shoulders, no angulation, gaits reminiscent of a pistons, yellow eyes and short tails. Ditto for drop dead gorgeous black & red zucht-burgers that swallow their assholes turning inside out in the face of a threat (real OR imagined!...}} Funny description. Just when I was getting nausea looking at showline dog pictures she says they are drop dead gorgeous and the workingline look like coyotes. ROFL I'll stick with the coyotes...

Echo Meadow "Confirmation is as Important as working ability isn't it ? I don't agree with that statement at all. Best Chris

Well you take take your roached back, jumpy, nervous GSD's and use Photoshop to make the black and reds even more red and beautiful but give me that coyote also. D'man

I will stick to my guns that most people can't handle a true working line dog. Based on the fact with high drive they need to be worked or exercised daily. Many non-working people simply leave them in the house or backyard then they get into trouble because not only do they need relief but they need a dominent master. I have a friend who gets most of her narcotic dogs free from people because of this, she loves that so many people are willing to pay top dollar for a pup then at 6 months to a year give it to her. I'm sure some people have different ideals of what a working dog is than myself which can cause some of the differences of opinion.

Your very right Desert Rangers. Leave on of the pups I'm talking about inside and you wont have a couch left within minutes. People expect to throw them out in the bak yard while they head to work. Oh NO! Poochie ate my roses, he has to go! We are not talking about a dog with just enough drive to make a shutzhund title. I'm refering to that puppy who has so much ball drive, he will chew your arm off for that ball. Don't take him to the park to play with the kids.

"Confirmation is as Important as working ability isn't it ? Well, no and I work my dogs in the original purpose. I have seen conformationally 'incorrect' dogs do a bang up job working stock for hours and hours. Can't say the same for pretty dogs without the drives and work ethic. I peronally believe temperament, working traits and drives are never sacrificed for conformation. And for those who will now jump in and say, a dog that is not correct conformationally will not last in work. Likley not true, of course depending on how bad a fault is (few are really this bad). Having said that the ULTIMATE is always a dog that is correct in drive, temperament, workability and also has good conformation. Problem is...conformation is very subjective, even in the german sieger ring.

Exactly... the eye of one judge is different from the next. I'll take an ugly working dog over the the black and red anyday. Even though those black and red beauties are the ones who drew me to the breed. Most showline persons would trip over themselves to tell me how ugly my dog is, and let em. I could care less, as my dog is running circles around them all day. My Tricky may be ugly, staight back, sable, too long, he looks and runs just like a cheetah. Not a health problem since I owned him, except now his broken leg due to all that speed, not enough breaks. LOL

I forgot to mention that I think the compromise should come from both sides of the fence. Does the dog really need THAT much roach? I think not... anymore than I appreciate the near exclusion of the gray dog in the 1st ring at the BSZS. (Take many steps backwards, oh zucht meisters!) ...and there's nothing wrong with a good-looking coyote LOL :-D