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by mollyandjack on 27 June 2012 - 23:06
That is really not why people started making comments about microwaves...
by starrchar on 27 June 2012 - 23:06
I missed that Beetree! I thought it was Neisa that made reference to it- although it's a TV, not a microwave :).
Niesia stated: "Kitka3478 - Guarantee is a guarantee. If you buy a TV set and it's faulty, does the store let you keep it and mail you a check or send you a new one without asking for you to return the old one? It being a living creature makes it very difficult, but the same principle applies."
This has been an interesting debate. I hope that one day that this breed won't have so many health issues...
by beetree on 27 June 2012 - 23:06
Starrchar,
Here is an excerpt of my original post, on this thread: http://www.pedigreedatabase.com/german_shepherd_dog/forum.read?mnr=616077&pagen=5
Here is an excerpt of my original post, on this thread: http://www.pedigreedatabase.com/german_shepherd_dog/forum.read?mnr=616077&pagen=5
| Wow to VonIsengard. I see you are trying very hard to use emotionalism to deny the refund of the returned item due to defect. I don't imagine you would be so accomodating should you want to return a defective appliance? Would you wait patiently for them to send it back to the mfg. and wait for them to repair it, before getting your money back? (No where are you obligated to take a replacement.) For me it is like a bad haircut sometimes, when you get one, having the situation rectified by continued incompetence becomes mind-boggling. |
by Niesia on 27 June 2012 - 23:06
So it is ALL my fault!... My greatest apologies.
by beetree on 27 June 2012 - 23:06
LOL, No, Niesia, it is all MY fault, but I totally get the husband and battery recharging thing.... 
by workingdogz on 28 June 2012 - 00:06
joanro.
I think you are reading too much into what I wrote.
There are a few breeders we would buy from here
in the USA, heck, even a couple in Canada, so you really
should drop the whole line of bull about that.
I just have a problem with false promises implied
by a contract that won't be honored.
How many contracts have you read and laughed at because
you could spot the loopsholes a mile away?
And, in another vein, buyers need to educate themselves
BEFORE they buy!
If a buyer doesn't think a contract is fair, the time to deal
with that is before a dime changes hands, not after you
have a pup and a problem arises.
This is precisely why we own what we buy. And if a problem
arises, we let the breeder know, and we deal with the issues
on our own. We have been pleasantly surprised by the EU
breeders we have dealt with whom have offered to send
another puppy from another litter if H/E's didn't pan out.
Most are pretty decent about that, but, one must decide
if the shipping fees are 'worth' it.
Market wise? I can buy a puppy from two Koer und Leistungzucht
parents that are either LGA or BSP dogs for less than an average
American bred puppy from untitled/untested parents.
I suppose my better half and I are 'weird' in the sense
we accept responsibility for the puppies we purchase.
We research the breeding as best as we can, and then roll the dice.
By the way joanro, why did YOU buy imports?
How come you didn't buy American?
I think you are reading too much into what I wrote.
There are a few breeders we would buy from here
in the USA, heck, even a couple in Canada, so you really
should drop the whole line of bull about that.
I just have a problem with false promises implied
by a contract that won't be honored.
How many contracts have you read and laughed at because
you could spot the loopsholes a mile away?
And, in another vein, buyers need to educate themselves
BEFORE they buy!
If a buyer doesn't think a contract is fair, the time to deal
with that is before a dime changes hands, not after you
have a pup and a problem arises.
This is precisely why we own what we buy. And if a problem
arises, we let the breeder know, and we deal with the issues
on our own. We have been pleasantly surprised by the EU
breeders we have dealt with whom have offered to send
another puppy from another litter if H/E's didn't pan out.
Most are pretty decent about that, but, one must decide
if the shipping fees are 'worth' it.
Market wise? I can buy a puppy from two Koer und Leistungzucht
parents that are either LGA or BSP dogs for less than an average
American bred puppy from untitled/untested parents.
I suppose my better half and I are 'weird' in the sense
we accept responsibility for the puppies we purchase.
We research the breeding as best as we can, and then roll the dice.
By the way joanro, why did YOU buy imports?
How come you didn't buy American?
by kitkat3478 on 28 June 2012 - 00:06
All I know is, "I MYSELF" offer a LIFETIME Guarantee with my pups against, ANY and ALL Genetic Defects. I WILL give a replacement pup, I will NOT buy back a pup-dog (I guess if the situation arose and that is what I had to do to safeguard MY dogs well being, I WILL buyback), BUT I Will ALWAYS take back one of my dogs. Hell, I tell people if they find themselves in a situation, I will keep the dog until they can have it back. Bottom line is, There is no excuse for a dog I bred to end up dumped or in the dog pound. I just don't understand why it is so hard to replace a pup, that was. NOT what was bargained for. I really do have a hard ttime with that.
by Red Sable on 28 June 2012 - 00:06
What happens if the breeder is a typical
'5 year-I have money and bought an import' flash in
the pan wonder and is no longer in dogs by the time
you need your replacement or guarantee etc honored?
By the way, how do you get limited registration lifted off
your dog if you cannot locate the breeder anymore?
That kind of shit does happen!
Shit happens in the genetic lottery. We don't buy into
limited registration, contracts or guarantee's. We do our
research and purchase from knowledgeable experienced
dog trainers/breeders that train, title and test their dogs,
and we hope for the best.
I totally agree!
I'd rather pay less and take my chances, if that means importing from another country, then so be it, because if this board has proven nothing else, it has proven contracts wether written or verbal are not worth squat in many cases.
If you really want people to buy local, put your prices where they should be,and be honest about the dogs you breed.
Also, if you are going to sit on your high horse and look down your nose at those that are wanting to return a pup for legit defects, and preach this dogs are for life crap, make sure YOU have not ever rehomed/sold a dog before either. Seriously, what a friggin' joke.
Make sure you can pass your own standards that you set for others.
'5 year-I have money and bought an import' flash in
the pan wonder and is no longer in dogs by the time
you need your replacement or guarantee etc honored?
By the way, how do you get limited registration lifted off
your dog if you cannot locate the breeder anymore?
That kind of shit does happen!
Shit happens in the genetic lottery. We don't buy into
limited registration, contracts or guarantee's. We do our
research and purchase from knowledgeable experienced
dog trainers/breeders that train, title and test their dogs,
and we hope for the best.
I totally agree!
I'd rather pay less and take my chances, if that means importing from another country, then so be it, because if this board has proven nothing else, it has proven contracts wether written or verbal are not worth squat in many cases.
If you really want people to buy local, put your prices where they should be,and be honest about the dogs you breed.
Also, if you are going to sit on your high horse and look down your nose at those that are wanting to return a pup for legit defects, and preach this dogs are for life crap, make sure YOU have not ever rehomed/sold a dog before either. Seriously, what a friggin' joke.
Make sure you can pass your own standards that you set for others.
by joanro on 28 June 2012 - 00:06
Actually, I have bought American and the puppies and one adult I imported were because they were the dogs I found that I wanted. In other words, the same dogs were not available here. But times have since changed. Thank you for asking, wd. This thread, if not at least entertaining, should have given people a perspective they may not have previously had.:)
by Teufel Hunde on 28 June 2012 - 01:06
Hey, what would I know about bad breeders??? I bought a puppy that was going to rock the world according to the breeder. She produced the best dogs around, far superior than all the rest. At least I admit I was stupid enough to believe her.
He came with an injury to his muzzle that threatened to disfigure his face. His canine came in disfigured and discolored...there went any rating. At 6 months he was diagnosed with severe ED.(orthopedic diagnosis confirm he had ED, not broken bones,wrong diet and any other wild affliction ). Upon consultation with orthopedic surgeons, who recommended surgery ASAP if there was to even be a CHANCE at a semi normal life. For all intents and purposes he was given a guarded prognosis with immediate surgery and very poor if left untreated or surgery was delayed.
After several emails the breeder sent reassuring me she would have the surgery, I gave him back with the agreement of a refund. I thought this was best since she bragged she had many, many fans of her breedings and she could easily place him. We agreed upon a refund of what I paid . (which by the way, was never received)Who better to help this little guy if not his breeder ,right?
Unfortunately he is STILL awaiting medical care 3 months later. He's up for sale with the promise of surgery "when he matures" I'm sickened and disgusted that a breeder with all this compassion for their dogs would put one of their own pups through such pain and discomfort. It was the worst mistake of my life to think the pup would be in better hands with his breeder.
I have learned from this though. One thing for sure is I will NEVER again buy a pup from someone who does not actively participate in the sport ,doesn't like the sport and openly knocks those who do. How could they possibly know the potential workability of their dogs if they themselves don't train, work or participate in anything(Schutzhund,agility,SAR,obedience,etc)else but letting them mate in their back yard. Proof is in the pudding ,my dear................................
ps ..there are no sides..only right/wrong truth/lies evidence/lack of
He came with an injury to his muzzle that threatened to disfigure his face. His canine came in disfigured and discolored...there went any rating. At 6 months he was diagnosed with severe ED.(orthopedic diagnosis confirm he had ED, not broken bones,wrong diet and any other wild affliction ). Upon consultation with orthopedic surgeons, who recommended surgery ASAP if there was to even be a CHANCE at a semi normal life. For all intents and purposes he was given a guarded prognosis with immediate surgery and very poor if left untreated or surgery was delayed.
After several emails the breeder sent reassuring me she would have the surgery, I gave him back with the agreement of a refund. I thought this was best since she bragged she had many, many fans of her breedings and she could easily place him. We agreed upon a refund of what I paid . (which by the way, was never received)Who better to help this little guy if not his breeder ,right?
Unfortunately he is STILL awaiting medical care 3 months later. He's up for sale with the promise of surgery "when he matures" I'm sickened and disgusted that a breeder with all this compassion for their dogs would put one of their own pups through such pain and discomfort. It was the worst mistake of my life to think the pup would be in better hands with his breeder.
I have learned from this though. One thing for sure is I will NEVER again buy a pup from someone who does not actively participate in the sport ,doesn't like the sport and openly knocks those who do. How could they possibly know the potential workability of their dogs if they themselves don't train, work or participate in anything(Schutzhund,agility,SAR,obedience,etc)else but letting them mate in their back yard. Proof is in the pudding ,my dear................................
ps ..there are no sides..only right/wrong truth/lies evidence/lack of
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