stud fees - Page 3

Go blow in a bag if u need to!

not u felsenHof !

LOL, I actually laughed and almost spit my drink on the computer monitor!! haha

Thanks everyone for your responses. I made the mistake of breeding one of my dogs to a friends dog without a contract. He has a great dog that is SchH1 trained but that's it. He told me he wanted pick puppy but then changed his mind and decided on the stud fee. I'm thinking ok no problem. I bugged him for weeks asking how much do you want for stud fee and he would just say we'll see how much the pups are selling for. I couldn't figure out why he wanted to wait to see how much the pups were going to sell for before he would tell me how much he wanted for the stud fee. Now I've sold 2 pups. One for 800.00 and another for 1000.00. He told me that he wanted 1000.00 for the stud fee since I was getting 1000.00 for a puppy. I thought he was absolutely crazy. We then agreed on 800.00 but I still thought that was an awful lot of money but didn't want to argue about it anymore. Another problem I am having is that his dog is a Hungarian Import and wasn't registered before the puppies were born. He has just been registered and is in the process of being DNA'd so the puppies can't be registered until the father has been DNA'd. I am the one who took my time and money to get his dog registered so that the puppies can be registered. It cost me 160.00 to get an export pedigree, postage, AKC registration fee, DNA fee, etc... Well I am having a harder time selling the pups because they don't have papers yet and the people buying the pups have to trust me that they are going to be getting their papers. So I've considered dropping the puppy price so that they all sell. Well I gave him his money I gave him 340.00 plus the 160.00 for registering the dog that he owed me. So I gave him 500.00 and asked if that was alright right now because if he wanted his stud fee to be the price of a puppy and they didn't sell for 800.00 ea. then I would give him what the puppy price averaged out to be. I also told him if that was going to be a problem I would give him the other 300.00 the next day. He said ok but I could tell he was kind of upset. Little did I know how mad he was. Well he moved this past weekend. I called his mother yesterday to see if she would make me a copy of his dogs registration certificate so that if anyone was worried about buying a pup from me that I could show them that the dad just got registered.

continued... She told me that her son told her that I still owed him 500.00 and until he got the money he wouldn't be siging any papers for the puppies. Well that just pissed me off and freaked me out because I already have a pup sold with full registration and now I might not be getting papers on these puppies. Her son is the type of person that doesn't stick up for himself and lets people walk all over him and since he thought that I was trying to screw him over that he was going to let his mother deal with the situation. So here I am having no clue that he's pissed at me when I offered to give him the other 300.00 for the stud fee if he really wanted it and instead of saying yes I want the money he said no even though he was pissed. I apologized profusely to his mother for her having to be stuck to deal with this when she shouldn't have to. She called her son and told him that he needn't to handle his own problems and to get ahold of me. When he did finally call me he was still demanging the 1000.00 saying that I new his dog wasn't registered and that he didn't care if his dog ever got registered. I fianlly got him to agree to me giving him another 300.00 so that the stud fee would be 800.00, which is the origianl amount we had agreed upon. I also told him that he wasn't going to be getting the rest of the money until he had signed the papers stating that his dog was the sire of the litter. We agreed that he would sign the papers send them ti his mother and when she got that papers I would go get them and then give her th 300.00 I owe him for the stud fee. I think the morale of the story is to always make sure that you have a contract even if it is with friends. I thought I new him but obviously not well enough. I know that not everything is his fault because I am the one who contacted him saying that I thought our dogs would have beautiful puppies and wanted to breed them knowing that I would have to get his dog registered and everything. But if I could do it all again I wouldn't have bred my female with his male. Mysti

Mysti, Please email me privately, I have some information that will be of use to you. :) Regards

Jonah, an excellent point you make. We of the GSD world typically go ga-ga over the VA males and pay no attention to their siblings because they don't make the grade and are not successfully shown. We don't see them at the show, and we don't investigate. In my opinion the siblings are at least as important as the highly-titled VA- and V-rated males, as they indicate what is really the bloodline norm, not just the fortunate exception. As far as stud prices are concerned, here are a couple of examples. A nice NASS SchH3 Kkl1 VA-1 male who was three (3) times VA during his show career and had a nice low ZW was still being used as a stud until his recent passing. The fee? It was $1,500.00 and he had many American breedings. I would say that this is very typical for a dog of his quality and show status. An NASS V-1 who was multiple times low V? About $800.00 comes to mind. How much is a NASS V-25 worth? I can't say, as I never bred a bitch to one. I certainly would not think less than $600.00-$500.00. After all, it is a V rating, and let's face it; the V-25 is still a great score if there were many contenders, and one that I think most of us would be very proud to achieve. I am talking about two (2) dogs that I remember very well, and both were excellent in my opinion. Can anyone become wealthy (or even make a living) just studding their males? Probably not, by the time one counts the expenses of purchase, training, showing, etc., I would not be surprised that the cost (not including puppy purchase) to train and show an excellent male to achieve NASS VA-1 status by the age of four (4) years could exceed $30,000.00. For a BSZS VA-1, I would double this figure. And, there is no guarantee that the dog will remain fertile, or healthy, or even alive. Perhaps a breeder can eventually recoup his true investment in his stud male, but it will take many breedings over a long period of time. Bob-O

Thank you Bob-O Thats why I respect greatly those breeders that achieve those repeated honors in V ratings, Lots of money just to raise and untitled dog and do the sport and they deserve the fees, Its just like a Dr, or a Phd, or certified engineers, they all get a higher fee for their work or service, Look at how many proghenies on some of the higher titled dogs which tells u how many times they have been bred and a lot of the breedings are never listed here on the database, Lots of breeders never get them recorded here so we know some are bred a lot more than we know which is great if they can recover some of the monies spent to bring those honors. I told my boys that if they can pay there way they may have to go,,,,they look at me with those big brown eyes and say : Okay Mom"

i repeat!!!

there is a breeder with  an UNTITLED dog---working lines DDR/Czech that this person wants  1,800.00 for a stud fee.

lets see how long he is in business  LOL

"[P]there is a breeder with an UNTITLED dog---working lines DDR/Czech that this person wants 1,800.00 for a stud fee.[/" He can charge anything he wants for his own stud dogs' fee - doesn't mean anyone is going to pay that - noone in their right mind would pay anywhere close to that, or $1000 either, for an untitled stud dogs' fee.