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Amen! With that, I'm going to bed and sleeping well tonight!! hahaha

I can't even imagine not having my prong. Not all of my dogs need it and not all of the time but man they sure do come in handy. Without one, my 12 yr old would not be handling her own dog. Same with the e-collars. I think in the right hands, they make training easier for the dog and handler.

I'm going to say this once and not respond to anyone one this. Ed is a great business man and a marginal dog trainer. He does what so many other folks do; repeat what he's told or heard. He does it over and over to his groupies and it becomes, "the Word" according to Ed. Try to find out what the last dog was that he titled. When you find that out find out what kind of scores he had. Sorry, but when people start spewing the gospel according to Ed, it's hard not to puke. Take your best shot.

Here is my two cents. Barking must at some time be introduced as a reward if you ever want to compete at a high level. We train in bush, clubhouse and other assorted areas to promote defense which brings the barking higher somewhat the same as in the videos. I am going to look close at this as another arrow in the quiver is always apperciated. The work looked great grimmdog

Again, Im real new to all of this, but what is the difference in a bark from prey drive and a bark in defense? Maybe its getting late and I should just go to bed and think this all over again. The muscles in my neck are struggling to hold my head up. Im addicted to this damn site, I need an intervention.

I think the point is thru a progression you build the dog's confidence past their natural inclination not to bite a human. For police K9 you don't want an equipment trained dog, you want him to go for the man plus not quite if hit. The progression involves both barking then agtation to biting.

LOL go to bed Mose, think about it while your laying there. Maye you will answer it yourself, if not you may have a good answer on here by tomorrow morning. Take a deep breath and turn the computer off. It's ok, it will be there in the morning. ;)

Thank you all for the information and great training Vids. This has been the very best discussion I've ever read on here. Keep up the good work and I look forward to many more of this sort. Great job!!

I was one of the very same ones questioning the use of "table training" when Mike Diehl started using this several years back and trust me it is far from the what many think is the "infamous bad table training". In fact, the pup was a young pup, perhaps 7 months of age and had a lot of spunk to him and loved to bite. In the box, he showed the same genetic drive and joy to bite. ZERO (0%) stress. So sometimes you have to see stuff to become a believer and I may have been the first to judge if I didn't find out first hand. Mike has used this box (what I call it not table) training many times while I was up and I have NEVER seen a dog that has been under any stress or showed any remote sign of stress. In fact that may happy as could be, enjoying the heck out of it yet getting better at what they do best - BITE :-) Hopefully we'll get a video that tries to capture all the steps and show the viewer more explicitly how things are done in the box training.

In a way I am glad that table work has a bad rap. That way most people will not try it. In my opinion, it is one of the most valuable tools in dog training when done properly; by someone who really knows how to read a dog. I was very lucky to learn table work from someone who is very good at it. It is not cruel or wrong to keep the dog on a very short chain while doing table work. It is also not absolutly wrong to put some real stress on a dog to induce a flight or fight response IN A STABLE DOG AND YOU ALLOW THE DOG TO RELEASE THE STRESS THROUGH A CONFIDENCE BUILDING WIN. Like someone pointed out abouve, abuse is not in th tool or technique but in its application. It is cruel to attempt this type of training if you do not know how to read a dog and understand when enough is enough or you use it to test a dogs "breaking point". I use the table most to induce various drives and channel a dog between these drives. Predominantly fight drive. I will also use it for targeting. I will also use it to take a dog to just about their limit and then watch their confidence build when they win. Table work is near and dear to my heart. It is a beautiful thing to watch a stable, well balanced, dog channel in and out of 4 different drives several times, in 90 seconds on the table. It is also beautiful to watch a dog to overcome stress and watch there threshold for stress increase with confidence. I have had some of my most rewarding training experiences doing table work. I am conflicted about discussing this on an open forum because table work can easily be cruel or abusive if not done correctly. I would rather most people just not try it.